[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't see how taking the knee is classed as divisive politics. Although its linked to BLM, which people believe is a political movement, football have been trying to eradicate racism for years...they now have some form of symbolism to show how against racism in the game they are. Unless you are happy for black players to be called monkeys or worse, I don't see how you can boo what is nothing more than a symbolic gesture against racism

Totally agree with Annie here, whatever people's opinions are on the BLM movement, a symbol for anti racism in football is very much needed

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I really don't think it's as simple as them all being racists to be honest, I think it has more to do with them feeling "pushed into politics" no matter how hard they try to run away from it. No of course the reality is that Jo one can run from politics, we're all swimming in a big ol' soup of it ever day, and many of us embrace that for the purposes of rousing debate and have done for many years... But your average pie-munching footie fan? He's been living (he believes) a peaceful life free from having to think about all this politics stuff for a large chunk of his life. So, now he's mad that he's being "FORCED" to think about it on a Saturday afternoon "as well as every weekday in the papers".

I get it to an extent, in some cases we're expecting people who have never had to put their brain in anything over 2nd gear to suddenly start contemplating and empathising with a whole bunch of abstract reasoning and critical thought. It probably literally hurts. Many simply won't be able to do it. They don't understand what they're seeing, they don't like how it feels, they know it isn't about them so they worry that it might somehow be against them - that's part of tribalism and that's why they're booing.

And yet they instantly came out with the rehearsed excuses that BLM is an extremist, Marxist organisation, as though the fans were debating the finer points of Das Kapital in between mouthfuls of steak and kidney.

[Ammi]

'You're losing the plot': Piers Morgan blasts Laurence Fox again as he compares taking the knee and Nazi salutes...


Piers Morgan has slammed controversial actor Laurence Fox again, this time over suggesting footballers taking the knee was comparable to tolerating a Nazi salute.

Millwall supporters were criticised over the weekend for booing their own players as they took the knee ahead of playing Derby, an action to show solidarity against racism and in support of Black Lives Matter.

Read more: Laurence Fox scolded by The Pogues over Fairytale of New York edit complaint

The booing fans were condemned by many, including the football club, but Lewis actor Fox tweeted a provocative image of the 1938 England football team lining up for a Nazi salute captioned: “It’s happened before...Appeasement is the incorrect choice.”

Outraged Good Morning Britain host Morgan replied: “You’re comparing taking the knee as a protest against racial injustice to appeasing Nazis? SERIOUSLY??? Get a grip Laurence - you’re losing the plot.”


...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/youre-losi...101418861.html

[Niamh.]

Who would have thought Piers would be the one you'd side with

[Ammi]

...the cynic in me has a theory, though...that Laurence Fox deliberately baits Piers because of the exposure he knows it will give him and keep him talked about etc ....and he’s trying to carve a career in politics...Piers will always respond, so giving him exposure.../...shockingly cynical, I know...as if...

[Ramsay]

Good guy Piers, always rated him

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the cynic in me has a theory, though...that Laurence Fox deliberately baits Piers because of the exposure he knows it will give him and keep him talked about etc ....and he’s trying to carve a career in politics...Piers will always respond, so giving him exposure.../...shockingly cynical, I know...as if...

You would wonder what Laurence's game is, he doesn't need to get famous by doing this **** like Katie Hopkins, he already had a half decent acting career which he's probably ruined now

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Good guy Piers, always rated him

...hush yer face, you.....I always rated him as well...around a 1.5 to a 2.00...

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hush yer face, you.....I always rated him as well...around a 1.5 to a 2.00...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You would wonder what Laurence's game is, he doesn't need to get famous by doing this **** like Katie Hopkins, he already had a half decent acting career which he's probably ruined now

...that’s the thing though...in his career, you really have to be quite stand-out because it’s such a competitive thing with so many outstanding actors...and I wouldn’t really say that he’s ever been in that outstanding bit...so getting parts must be quite a hard thing...whereas being deliberately controversial, can make you stand out...like it has for Katie...so get you a career that would fulfill what you hoped for...(...for some specific characters, of which, Lawrence has shown himself to be one...)...he’s much more well known now...and to him, maybe it’s like an acting job of playing a villain and his performance gets a completely new exposure on social media and the like.......

[Cherie]

It's Millwall, if any Club were going to do it they were, feel sorry for their 'normal' fans as they all get tarred with the same brush

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...that’s the thing though...in his career, you really have to be quite stand-out because it’s such a competitive thing with so many outstanding actors...and I wouldn’t really say that he’s ever been in that outstanding bit...so getting parts must be quite a hard thing...whereas being deliberately controversial, can make you stand out...like it has for Katie...so get you a career that would fulfill what you hoped for...(...for some specific characters, of which, Lawrence has shown himself to be one...)...he’s much more well known now...and to him, maybe it’s like an acting job of playing a villain and his performance gets a completely new exposure on social media and the like.......

Well yeah but the whole "cancel culture" type mentality I would have thought would make people think twice about hiring a guy with his opinions

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well yeah but the whole "cancel culture" type mentality I would have thought would make people think twice about hiring a guy with his opinions

...if he was planning on pursuing an acting career, for sure....but (..I think...)...atm, his plan seems to be full time politics, setting up his politics party...he’s gone from musician/songwriter to acting ...so this was the obvious next career to try on for fit......

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...if he was planning on pursuing an acting career, for sure....but (..I think...)...atm, his plan seems to be full time politics, setting up his politics party...he’s gone from musician/songwriter to acting ...so this was the obvious next career to try on for fit......

Obviously yes

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Obviously yes

...and obviously the role model would always be Katie Hopkins...that would go without saying...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...and obviously the role model would always be Katie Hopkins...that would go without saying...

Well of course, such a pillar of society, up there with Donald

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well of course, such a pillar of society, up there with Donald

...sorry, did we have a Donald...I know we have a Joe but I’m not sure that I recall a Donald...I’ll go off to google that, see which Donald’s I can find...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...sorry, did we have a Donald...I know we have a Joe but I’m not sure that I recall a Donald...I’ll go off to google that, see which Donald’s I can find...

[arista]

Ammi
Today
Now on BBC2HD Politics Live

Asks is taking the Knee
"Political"

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Ammi
Today
Now on BBC2HD Politics Live

Asks is taking the Knee
"Political"

Only if equality is viewed as a political issue, which it isn't.

[Stu]

Football has also - of course - been frequently political in the best possible way. It's a melting pot of high athleticism, dodgy hairstyles, and cultural zeitgeist cathartic release. This isn't anything new. If you want to have a discussion about your beautiful game being destroyed, there's this other thing that's fertile ground for debate. BAR? CAR? Something like that .

Taking the vocal initiative to actually boo your own team for performing an overtly respectful gesture before the game even starts is the remit of yob contrarians, those on varying rungs of the racism spectrum and the kind of disenfranchised Carling breath babies who get that tiny dick energy when they see someone with better clothes than them on the news or talking about charity.

[The Slim Reaper]

[Tom4784]

The whole 'keep politics out of the game' reminds me of gamers who fall to pieces whenever there's a gay character in a game, or there's spotlight on a non-white character or if there is a female character that doesn't have tits bigger than the northern hemisphere and isn't dressed in a string bikini. They always describe it as 'politics' which often means 'I want my game to be filled with straight white dudes and women who only exist to be ogled at.' They'll claim that politics have no place in their games while playing Metal Gear Solid, Call of Duty: Cold War, or pretty much any JRPG in which you have to overthrow a government, unearth corruption in religion or just simply fight god, sometimes all three. That kind of political content is a-okay just as long as there isn't a gay in sight!

People who say keep politics out of football are very that, they don't mind players wearing poppies or supporting causes but as soon as a player takes a knee against racism, these people lose their racist minds.

[Alf]

Nail on head!

[Tom4784]

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