[Tom4784]

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[jet]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Bc this site is full of middle aged heterosexuals

….some of us middle aged heterosexuals will have raised daughters, by the sound of it most of these girls are very young and ripe for exploitation; their ‘choices’ may not be the same considered choices they would have made if they were 25+ say….and if you ever had a teenage daughter would you be fine if she was objectified and oogled by some randy Joe needing a wank? If you did, I hope you’d feel very differently….

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

Stepmom/MILF G&G fantasy. Probably

Spoiler:

Brazzers

or

Spoiler:

RealityKings

.

Spoiler only contains names of websites.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

….some of us middle aged heterosexuals will have raised daughters, by the sound of it most of these girls are very young and ripe for exploitation; their ‘choices’ may not be the same considered choices they would have made if they were 25+ say….and if you ever had a teenage daughter would you be fine if she was objectified and oogled by some randy Joe needing a wank? If you did, I hope you’d feel very differently….

Or they could have middle aged blokes like yourself telling them how slutty they look by showing some leg in a dress, like you do with other people's daughters. It seems women don't need to be doing porn or prostitution to be objectified.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'd much rather people go into OnlyFans and work for themselves than to put themselves at risk out on the streets.

There's no need for them to do either.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'd much rather people go into OnlyFans and work for themselves than to put themselves at risk out on the streets. There's a reason why Onlyfans took off as it did, and that's likely because it puts a lot more control into the sex worker's hands than other sex industries might.

I’d agree if it was that simple but it’s not, it’s a false sentiment, because the simple fact that no matter how it STARTED we’re at the point where the vast majority of young girls on OnlyFans would NOT have gone into any other type of sex work or even have considered it for a second, those girls already the vast majority of the platform and it’s traffic, and the proportion is growing constantly.

They would be shocked at the idea of being “actual” sexworkers but will be active on OnlyFans “because everyone’s doing it” so they think nothing of it, it’s normalised as “legitimate work” making far more money than they could pursuing another career. Then they get spat back out with damaged career prospects and severely impacted self esteem in their early to mid 20’s because the “customers” (see above, re: pondlife) who were their “fans” when they were teens have shifted their sub fees to the newest, freshest 18 year old who has just graduated from SFW SoMed. The lucky ones will get some therapy and pull themselves together without being crippled too badly by regret and horrendous self-image of being past their prime before they even hit 30. And this is something that WOMEN FACE ALREADY just with the general background messages from society and the mainstream media.

Plenty will end up transitioning to the porn industry to keep the income stream going, or start offering “sessions with their biggest fans” (physical prostitution) to hold interest. So actually far from “keeping sex workers safe”, it’s sending young women who would never have gone down that route at all into a situation that frequently ends very badly.

If this was a few people on a platform that was a “legitimate safe alternative to street prostitution for sex workers” then you could put it down to them being unfortunate casualties of poor decisions, MAYBE, but when we’re at the point we’re at now - with the conveyor belt of teenage girls propping up the entire platform - justifying that because “a small proportion actually are better off having it” is really just making excuses to use those girls as cannon fodder. It’s not really justifiable. And that’s without reiterating that investigations have shown that teenage girls under 18 have managed to evade the checks and post sexually explicit content on the platform.

I’m not sure if people don’t believe this is happening or simply don’t care. Given how quickly and often issues that affect women are brushed aside in the pursuit of hyper-individualism, I often have to assume it’s sadly the latter.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Or they could have middle aged blokes like yourself telling them how slutty they look by showing some leg in a dress, like you do with other people's daughters. It seems women don't need to be doing porn or prostitution to be objectified.

How you twist things. I once repeated light - heartedly something that the fashion advisors Trinny and Susannah had said….my understanding was that it was a ladies fashion ‘no - no’, yours is that it was ‘slutty’. Hmmm, very telling….

[bots]

the site isn't forcing people to put their stuff on there. It's an individual persons decision. If the person is over 18 then they are an adult and responsible for their own life choices, the same as they are in every other walk of life

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the site isn't forcing people to put their stuff on there. It's an individual persons decision. If the person is over 18 then they are an adult and responsible for their own life choices, the same as they are in every other walk of life

And here is the voice of reason!

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the site isn't forcing people to put their stuff on there. It's an individual persons decision. If the person is over 18 then they are an adult and responsible for their own life choices, the same as they are in every other walk of life

In things like this it's not just about the individual. Everyone who takes part of it is perpetuating something which shouldn't continue to exist.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Barry.

So are we saying that porn sites are the devils too, where the performer is of age and willing to do the sex bad as well?

I’m still pretty young so I can help out a guy on onlyfans (the money is helping them live btw) so I don’t mind being label a “lonely and sad” by watching porn.

Why not hire him to do your accounts, or pay him to do your online shopping? Find
something minor you can pay him to do, so instead of degrading himself he might gain some life skills and self worth.

[Liam-]

Why do people keep insisting that somebody who decides to do work on a site like OF can’t have any self worth and that they’re degrading themselves? The only people who are degrading them are the ones looking down on them for a career they’re choosing to partake in, I’d imagine it must take an awful lot of confident and self worth to be able to show yourself off the way they do, it’s about time people stopped feeling so high and mighty about themselves because they choose to live a different way to other people

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the site isn't forcing people to put their stuff on there. It's an individual persons decision. If the person is over 18 then they are an adult and responsible for their own life choices, the same as they are in every other walk of life

An abusive boyfriend could be forcing some.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

An abusive boyfriend could be forcing some.

No need for such conjecture. Technically someone doesn't need to be forced, but a toxic culture can make it seem like a good idea.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the site isn't forcing people to put their stuff on there. It's an individual persons decision. If the person is over 18 then they are an adult and responsible for their own life choices, the same as they are in every other walk of life

Sociologically this is just a massive cop-out though isn't it. Who cares if young people are drinking themselves to death? Who cares if there's an ever-increasing problem with late teenagers/early-20's doing coke and MDMA (there is, by the way)? Who cares if all of the messaging around them is legitimising and encouraging these choices? They're 18, have at it, their decision.

This is why I mentioned hyper-individualism before. "It's wrong to ever even suggest that people are making poor decisions". That saying "This is a BAD IDEA, which has been well observed to often have VERY POOR OUTCOMES" is akin to "wanting it banned" or "judging the folks who do it already".

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Why do people keep insisting that somebody who decides to do work on a site like OF can’t have any self worth and that they’re degrading themselves?

For the now 5th time, I haven't once said that the girls have poor self worth when they get into it or while doing it - in fact it often comes along with a massive self-esteem bost and is part of the draw for many of them - I said they are left with their self-esteem in tatters when the blokes who were telling them they were amazing yesterday think they're "past it" by their late 20's and move on to the next 18 year old.

Or maybe you'd like to argue that this isn't happening?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No need for such conjecture. Technically someone doesn't need to be forced, but a toxic culture can make it seem like a good idea.

Unless you, and everyone else who has posted in here works in the sex industry, we are all not needing such conjecture, thank you very much.

[Tom4784]

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[Parmy]

I agree with everything TS has said, apart from the suggestion that society makes women feel past it by the age of 30, I would 100 percent say that is 100 percent wrong.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sex work will always exist, but the only way to protect sex workers is to bring it into the light and legitimise it, Onlyfans placed all the control in the hands of the workers. I'd much rather people sell nudes for cash rather than take the risks of less legitimate sex work.

You're repeatedly ignoring and refusing to even address or acknowledge the following even to try to dispute it;

- that there are countless thousands of girls coming up through things like TikTok and into OF because it's seen as "the totally normal next step"

- that the majority of those girls would not for one second have ever entered into any other form of sex work or pornography

- that these 18 year old girls have over the last 18 months to two years become the vast majority of what generates traffic for OF, not people using it as an alternative revenue stream over traditional sex work or transitioning from in-person prostitution

- that those girls (who would NOT have chosen sex work) often end up led into in-person prostitution with "high paying fans", or making more traditional pornography, to keep their subscribers interested and paying, as they need to make it more interesting to stop them unsubbing in favour of "newer girls".

- that it has been proven that not all of these girls are even 18, which is why it's being cracked down on.


So I can ONLY assume that these things are either too uncomfortable for you to try to defend (because they are gross), or that you think these girls are acceptable collateral damage in order for these platforms to still exist for the benefit and safety of the comparatively small number of people who were already in sex work before OF or would have gone into other sex work without it.

Which would be unsursprising quite frankly because women and girls are pretty much always the acceptable casualties of hyperindividualism. Sorry, "people who choose to live a different waaay".

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What do drugs and alcoholism have to do with anything? It's a very Fox News way of trying to make a point. 'I dislike the concept of Onlyfans so I'm randomly going to link it to substance abuse to falsely bolster a point that is making less sense by the minute.'

"They're adults and it's their decision so don't criticise it".

It's exactly the same.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

For the now 5th time, I haven't once said that the girls have poor self worth when they get into it or while doing it - in fact it often comes along with a massive self-esteem bost and is part of the draw for many of them - I said they are left with their self-esteem in tatters when the blokes who were telling them they were amazing yesterday think they're "past it" by their late 20's and move on to the next 18 year old.

Or maybe you'd like to argue that this isn't happening?

And people lose confidence in themselves when their spouses run off with younger models, shall we crack down on marriages too?

[thesheriff443]

The very idea that young women can’t control themselves and are throwing themselves at the internet naked
Why don’t you ts, give women more credit

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

but what alternative do you propose?

I hear McDonald's is hiring.