[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

A woman can send a pic for free and that’s ok but if a guy buys a pic it’s not

Yes. I honestly don’t understand why this would be a difficult concept to grasp… you understand that having sex with your wife or girlfriend (or heck, a total stranger if you’re both just in it for a good time) is completely different to paying someone for sex … right?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes. I honestly don’t understand why this would be a difficult concept to grasp… you understand that having sex with your wife or girlfriend (or heck, a total stranger if you’re both just in it for a good time) is completely different to paying someone for sex … right?

Paying for it does make it wrong
Because in that case a woman can meet a total scumbag in a pub/ club and have sex with him but because he didn’t pay for it that makes it acceptable to you.

Sex between strangers is just that it’s a mutual agreement to have sex having money involved makes no difference in my mind.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Sites like OnlyFans can be empowering in the sense that it gives women control over how they are being perceived rather than otherwise being subjected to abuse that they did not consent to. And to be honest, I see what some people are saying - if sites like these can help to keep sex workers off the streets, in extremely unsafe conditions - then there's no doubt that transitioning to online work is a step up. But yes, these sites can conversely be damaging for younger women specifically and worrying hosts of illegal, predatory behaviour. That goes without saying.

I’m not going to argue that it’s safer for women than “traditional” sex work, including the porn industry, and thus preferable in that sense but I do think it’s being consistently ignored (perhaps wilfully) that at this point, the percentage of active only fans accounts that are made up of young women coming from TikTok, Instagram, twitch streaming, etc. far outweighs those coming from a background in other sex work or traditional porn… and that proportion is only going to continue to grow exponentially. 18 year old girls chewed up and spat back out in their early 20’s, because there’s a new 18 year old to subscribe to instead.

It’s just so grim I really do struggle to take on bird the arguments that brand it empowering. “Empowering” to be able to sell yourself for 3 or 4 years until there’s someone newer and younger? Just an utter mess. Like actual existential horror.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You have a very simplistic view of what you consider to be right or wrong.

Some things simply are right or wrong. People -especially young women- being led to believe that it's a good thing to degrade themselves for money will never be a good thing.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

if sites like these can help to keep sex workers off the streets, in extremely unsafe conditions

How did we get to the point where the only possible career choices are stripping for a webcam or prostituting oneself?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Paying for it does make it wrong
Because in that case a woman can meet a total scumbag in a pub/ club and have sex with him but because he didn’t pay for it that makes it acceptable to you.

Sex between strangers is just that it’s a mutual agreement to have sex having money involved makes no difference in my mind.

It is specifically the fact that it’s paid for that makes it commodified though? People having sex for fun is not the same as having sex for money. I really don’t understand your argument here at all.

If a woman wants to set up a site to send pictures of herself naked to men for free, then yes that’s entirely up to her. It’s not the same, at all, as selling a subscription service. I don’t think it’s very realistic that thousands of 18 year olds are going to be swarming to do it though? The money (often large amounts of it) is the incentive.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Some things simply are right or wrong. People -especially young women- being led to believe that it's a good thing to degrade themselves for money will never be a good thing.

Well exactly.

“It’s better to sell yourself online than to take actual physical risks in person” - yes absolutely, no problem at all with that statement, of course it is

“it’s fine to sell yourself online, in fact it’s even empowering!” - not the same thing as the above is it. It moves beyond non-judgement and acceptance and into encouragement.

It’s like the age old debate over whether or not brothels should be legal. Prostitution is unfortunately always going to happen, so yes, decriminalising brothels is probably a good idea in terms of keeping women safer from violence and (some) exploitation.

Does that mean that you would encourage young women to work in a brothel it call it empowering? That you’d look at an 18 year old girl and say “Hmm let’s think about your strengths and prospects. Have you considered having men pay to **** you? Good money in that.”

Just… really.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Sex between strangers is just that it’s a mutual agreement to have sex having money involved makes no difference in my mind.

There obviously is a difference though.

Two strangers getting together because they want to have sex is different to two strangers getting together because only one wants sex and the other is desperate for some cash?

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How did we get to the point where the only possible career choices are stripping for a webcam or prostituting oneself?

Original "brothels" date back multiple centuries and were built specifically for the enjoyment of powerful men. I don't understand why everybody is focusing so much on how oh so terrible it is for women to act that way as though prostitution has ever been any woman's first bloody choice.

[Elliot]

Such a stupid idea they’re literally killing their platform and ****ing over loads of people and for what? It’s not the celebrities making millions that are gonna suffer from this

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Such a stupid idea they’re literally killing their platform and ****ing over loads of people and for what? It’s not the celebrities making millions that are gonna suffer from this

“For what??” = getting nervous about being charged with facilitating access to underage pornography. But hey who cares about a li’l child porn? It’s important that people without jobs can sell nudes for cash, child safety shmild safety.

The site, founded in 2016 by Essex businessman Tim Stokely, has come under fire in the past after a BBC News investigation found under-18s had used fake identification to set up accounts on the site. In June, BBC News found that under-18s sold explicit videos on the site, despite it being illegal for people to share indecent images of children.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58273914

Grim.

But keep on defending it chaps I’m all ears.

[Niamh.]

Lots of men arguing why its great and empowering for women to sell their bodies mmhhmm

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[Niamh.]

College/University is also a good option

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[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Lots of men arguing why its great and empowering for women to sell their bodies mmhhmm

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I’m not arguing I’m giving an opinion it’s a pitty we haven’t got any women on here that do it because they would say they actually enjoy it.

Some women do it to pay for their masters degrees

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I’m not arguing I’m giving an opinion it’s a pitty we haven’t got any women on here that do it because they would say they actually enjoy it.

Some women do it to pay for their masters degrees

Well I’m convinced now, this is the argument that did it, I can really see it now and why it’s actually all a good thing.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the owners are lucky they are not in jail for hosting under age content. There are plenty other sites where they at least have some processes in place to check ages.

They host underage content?

Nobody tell Adam Johnson about this.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Lots of men arguing why its great and empowering for women to sell their bodies mmhhmm

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Perhaps you can access young men and teenage boys as well?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe so for now but knocking a big player off the board is usually an indication that a "tide is turning". Pornhub's crackdown on anonymous uploading and "who can post porn" did have a decent knock-on effect on these sites generally (they're still awful, but the "amateur violence" is decreasing).

I still find the incest Porn the most shocking content of them all.

I remember sadly catching one where this family had this girl staying over for the night, and the older woman says to her "give Mother a kiss."

The stuff of nightmares, I prefer my Vanilla Porn.

[Calderyon]

^ Seems to be more of a German thing.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

We rarely agree but we are on the same page with this topic
People may not agree with it but it’s not their choice to make

I agree with this.

As long as it's not Child Porn obviously, I'll normally just leave people to their fetishes, if people want to pay for two consenting adults having sex with each other then go for it.

Even the horrible Incest video I was talking about earlier, as they're not really related I wouldn't complain to see it banned, I just personally find the video disgusting.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

crisp eating trailer trash are the only ones who use OnlyFans, so get rid

What's wrong with Crisps?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Perhaps you can access young men and teenage boys as well?

Hopefully not

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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

^ Seems to be more of a German thing.

I think they were either American or Canadian.

[Barry.]

So are we saying that porn sites are the devils too, where the performer is of age and willing to do the sex bad as well?

I’m still pretty young so I can help out a guy on onlyfans (the money is helping them live btw) so I don’t mind being label a “lonely and sad” by watching porn.

[Calderyon]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think they were either American or Canadian.

Stepmom/MILF G&G fantasy. Probably

Spoiler:

Brazzers

or

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RealityKings

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