[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have just read a tweet where transmen can access some gay saunas ONLY if they have top surgery, but men with penises can go where they like?

Which is a literal double standard tbh .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Again being fair to TiBB - I managed to get into this on TikTok (I know, I know...) and within 4 or 5 posts it had descended into someone telling me that God is non-binary and Jesus is trans, because if Mary was a virgin Jesus couldn't have had male chromosomes in order to be born male.

I tapped out at that point. Americans eh

You're laughing but it's not funny,this is also another reason why more people are identifying as "trans" & "non binary" thanks to sh1tty sh1tty tiktok , there's no proper education or genuine information, you can simply be what you want without any dysphoria or anything.
These tiktokers just want views & attention , and the scary thing is alot of their audience are children. So yeah things will only get worse.

[Liam-]

Tiktok isn’t making people trans don’t be so bloody easily led

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Tiktok isn’t making people trans don’t be so bloody easily led

Here we go again
If you don't think a social media platform as big as tiktok isn't influencing people's choices,then I think you're the naive one .

And I'm talking impressionable kids ,who are usually the main demographic of these channels. It's the same with YouTube ...when there's a big old loud voice with alot of followers ,and people hang on their every word.

[Liam-]

No, social media platforms aren’t making people trans, like they can’t make people gay, or bisexual or you can’t make someone straight, stop parroting things that ate just blatantly not true if you look at them with even an ounce of logic or thought other than ‘we have to stop trans people!’

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Tiktok isn’t making people trans don’t be so bloody easily led

TikTok is 100% part of the increase in young teenage girls identifying as boys and teenagers in general identifying as non-binary. Is it making people genuinely trans? No, it's an aesthetic the same way that skaters/goths were the aesthetic when I was at high school. It's also basically harmless IF it's allowed to just be what it is and most of them just do a bit of experimenting and then figure themselves out which is completely normal for teens.

It would be fine if it was allowed to just be what it is but it's also simply true that TikTok and other social media sells a version of reality that is patently false; e.g. that puberty blockers are reversible or a good idea, or that reassignment surgery is a simple process and not a major bodily trauma with permanent health consequences.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

TikTok is 100% part of the increase in young teenage girls identifying as boys and teenagers in general identifying as non-binary. Is it making people genuinely trans? No, it's an aesthetic the same way that skaters/goths were the aesthetic when I was at high school. It's also basically harmless IF it's allowed to just be what it is and most of them just do a bit of experimenting and then figure themselves out which is completely normal for teens.

It would be fine if it was allowed to just be what it is but it's also simply true that TikTok and other social media sells a version of reality that is patently false; e.g. that puberty blockers are reversible or a good idea, or that reassignment surgery is a simple process and not a major bodily trauma with permanent health consequences.

Exactly
This is why we're in this mess , I can't stand tiktok.

I truly believe that alot of these youngsters would have just been goth or emo if it was back when I was at school,but now with all these influencers they're fed other ideas .

[Oliver_W]

The social contagion is strong. As TS said, as long as it's humoured to a certain point and not medically pursued, there's no real harm in it. Most will grow out of it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, social media platforms aren’t making people trans, like they can’t make people gay, or bisexual or you can’t make someone straight, stop parroting things that ate just blatantly not true if you look at them with even an ounce of logic or thought other than ‘we have to stop trans people!’

I'd be genuinely interested to hear if you think the same about non-binary identities.

I mean I'm just going to be real here and say that my daughter has a TONNE of natal-female friends who identify as non-binary. They look, sound, and socialise as entirely female - but they certainly claim to be non-binary and quite a few identify as boys. To be clear; they identify as boys but all of their friends are girls, they're "gay" and have crushes on straight boys, and they are visually and socially quite clearly female other than having short hair. She already (by EARLY teens) has multiple friends who are biologically female, were "male" for a year to 18 months (with a new name and everything) and are ALREADY back to being female with their original name. This is anecdotal yes, but it's also documented to be the case in schools all across the western world.

It's not the same as sexuality in the slightest, entirely unrelated and not even really comparable, and there's just no doubt whatsoever that there's an element of aesthetics and trends for young people.

Again not saying that "real" dysphoria isn't a thing, just that there are multiple very different things at play here and one of them is absolutely a social trend. Again, in my day these same kids would have been buying a leather duster coat and chains, loading up on eyeliner and calling themselves "Azrael". It is the same thing. LGBTQ has been thoroughly appropriated by a tonne of young people who will shed it as soon as they find a style they like better.

[GoldHeart]

You know something ...I don't know what Aretha Franklin would say if she was alive today, are they seriously trying to cancel her song !?? ! . Ridiculous .

Aretha Franklin was a legend in the music industry!! .

[Liam-]

Again, I guarantee you that nobody is really out there actually wanting to cancel Aretha Franklin or her songs, stop letting the media get you so angry over things that aren’t happening, or even if they were happening, don’t matter in the least to you or the world

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Again, I guarantee you that nobody is really out there actually wanting to cancel Aretha Franklin or her songs, stop letting the media get you so angry over things that aren’t happening, or even if they were happening, don’t matter in the least to you or the world

Of course they CAN'T cancel her , because it's so stupid & ridiculous.

But to actually say her song 'Natural Woman ' is somehow offensive!?, just shows how crazy things have gone .

[Oliver_W]

I'm nearly certain that tweet was satire. It's too stupid not tk be.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Of course they CAN'T cancel her , because it's so stupid & ridiculous.

But to actually say her song 'Natural Woman ' is somehow offensive!?, just shows how crazy things have gone .

Like I said, I would put everything I own on nobody actually wanting to genuinely do that and it’s just even more right wing media manufactured nonsense to anger easily lead people, just like the whole ‘can’t say Christmas anymore!!’ ‘Gays want to ban fairytale of New York!!’ debacle we’re subjected to every single year

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm nearly certain that tweet was satire. It's too stupid not tk be.

This problem is in 2023 nobody knows what is serious or a joke anymore, that's how silly & delusional everything has become.

I think the tweet is real ,but it's been blown out of proportion. As it's just one twitter account.

[Beso]

We dont get to hear the word ****** in fairy tail of New York cause of the gays making a scene about it.


So I personally wouldn't put everything I owned on this.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

We dont get to hear the word ****** in fairy tail of New York cause of the gays making a scene about it.

Actually it wasn't just that censored , the slur towards Kirsty being a s**t was also cut out .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

We dont get to hear the word ****** in fairy tail of New York cause of the gays making a scene about it.


So I personally wouldn't put everything I owned on this.

Any radio station I heard it played on during Christmas played the original version

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This problem is in 2023 nobody knows what is serious or a joke anymore, that's how silly & delusional everything has become.

I think the tweet is real ,but it's been blown out of proportion. As it's just one twitter account.

That’s how the media has conditioned you to think about things

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Any radio station I heard it played on during Christmas played the original version

In this country they dont. Ireland is more right wing than us.

[Liam-]

If a radio station chooses to censor the word ****** in a song, they’re doing it off their own accord and it gets blamed on the gays for ‘putting them under pressure’ when it’s just simply not true

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

In this country they dont. Ireland is more right wing than us.

Do you think? Jeez I don't know about that Maybe NI is. Our political parties are much less divided into left/right though then yours or in the US I think

[Beso]

A gay bloke probably made the decision.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Do you think? Jeez I don't know about that Maybe NI is. Our political parties are much less divided into left/right though then yours or in the US I think

Course use are.

For example, your current growing unrest and increasing protests outside asylum hotels.

You dont get that in britain. We are far more tolerant than you lot.

[Liam-]

I’m actually not sure why I even joined in this conversation tbh, I put myself on a ban from taking part of these ‘debates’ on here