[Shaun]

I'm missing something here - what on earth is a "****" shop?

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Nurse57
I go to the Chinese restaurant for Chinese food. Do you go to the pa** shop for *****?


Tell you what.

I offer anyone who thinks pa** is an acceptable term the same offer I made to nodis. Come to Leicester. I will take you for a beer and invite you to do a blind test. Go up to random Asian people in the street and call them pa**. I will quite happily then drop you off at the hospital. I will also translate for you as the pa** doctor struggles to understand you through your smashed up face as you try to explain what happened and that it is just short for Pakistani.

For starters, that doesn't make any sense. I go to the Chinese restaraunt for what they sell - which is Chinese food. I go to the Pakistani shop for what they sell - general newsagent things.

And secondly, I didn't say I went around calling random people "*****" so your point is completely invalid.

Oh, and Girth, Nurse57 called me a racist.

[Nurse57]

"I'm not going to continue being called a racist. It's very offensive and I think people should think twice before accusing someone of it."

And time to turn your argument around. You find being called racist offensive. others would not. So that makes it ok by your reckoning.

[Nurse57]

You brought the Chinese restaurant into it. I was pointing out it is called that due to the fact it describes the type of food they sell. Saying **** shop describes the person running it.

"and they don't know me or anything about me. "

I know you use the term ****.

"And secondly, I didn't say I went around calling random people "*****" "

And why don't you?

[Nurse57]

Lauren. How about this. Someone on this site is offended by someone using the term **** in a thread and they report it. As a mod it lands on your door mat to deal with. What do you do about it?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Lauren. How about this. Someone on this site is offended by someone using the term pa** in a thread and they report it. As a mod it lands on your door mat to deal with. What do you do about it?

Nice scenario.

[Mark]

The member which you have branded a racist has made it clear she used term as an abbreviation, with no racial intent.

Ganging up and blowing this whole thing out of proportion is exactly what both of you want, and will ultimatly lead to this thread being closed. If you are content on wanting to discuss it further, there are hundreds of other places it can be done.

This thread was started to see if people thought it was an offensive term. Some of you agree, some of you don't - but don't start picking on members trying to intimidate them because of something you've misinterpreted.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Mark
The member which you have branded a racist has made it clear she used term as an abbreviation, with no racial intent.

Ganging up and blowing this whole thing out of proportion is exactly what both of you want, and will ultimatly lead to this thread being closed. If you are content on wanting to discuss it further, there are hundreds of other places it can be done.

This thread was started to see if people thought it was an offensive term. Some of you agree, some of you don't - but don't start picking on members trying to intimidate them because of something you've misinterpreted.

Thank you!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Mark
The member which you have branded a racist has made it clear she used term as an abbreviation, with no racial intent.

Ganging up and blowing this whole thing out of proportion is exactly what both of you want, and will ultimatly lead to this thread being closed. If you are content on wanting to discuss it further, there are hundreds of other places it can be done.

This thread was started to see if people thought it was an offensive term. Some of you agree, some of you don't - but don't start picking on members trying to intimidate them because of something you've misinterpreted.

I have not accused any body of anything.

I dont uderstand why the forum owner is getting involved in this. Perhaps he can explain. A moderater has been posting in this thread so if there were any problems why did they not highlight them?

[Nurse57]

Mark, I find it offensive. If it is not then why does your site not let you post ****?

2 on 2 is not ganging up.

May I ask your view on the word as Mark, and not the views of Tibb?

[Mark]

It seems natural I get involved when I feel someone is getting ganged up on for no reason other than your own enjoyment.

Yep Lauren has posted in this thread, but both of us have kept it open and both of us have tried to get it to go back to its original topic, and away from the slanging match.

edited in for Nurse57: I didn't add the word into the swear filter, the software comes with a list of them built in.

Last post I make on the subject

[Nurse57]

So do you think **** is an acceptable term? Are the software writers wrong?

[Nurse57]

Oh, my nieces and nephews are half "****" Having seen them in tears for being called stinky ***** is not my idea of enjoyment. But if you think it is ok for that term to be used then what can I do.

[GiRTh]

The thread seemed on topic to me.

If someone says they are not offended by such a sensitive word then aren't others, who are offended by it, allowed to ask them why? If not then that doesn't sound like much of a discussion. Particularly as the moderator was initially making a bit of a joke of the subject.

Subjects like this and words like this are extemely sensitive and should not be treated as flippantly as several forums member seem to do. This thread was a frank discussion on the issue. No more that a disagreement took place which has now resulted in the forum owner getting involved. I still dont understand why the moderator in question did not take appropriate action at the appropriate time. Was it because she was too busy arguing with us?

I'm disappointed Mark has deemed fit to involve himself in such matters when I feel more serious offences and rule breaking incidents go relatively unpunished throughout the forum.

Final word. I'm extremely offended for the implication to be made that I question someone stance on sensitive subjects like this just to amuse myself. That comment in its self shows a lack of sensitivity.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Shaun
I'm missing something here - what on earth is a "****" shop?

A shop owned by people some call "****'s".

I don't think its necessarily offensive- its just a shortening of a word in the way Brit is. But using it with racial intent or to purposely offend someone then I think its unacceptable.

As I say its a word with a lot of grey areas, its not black and white like others (no joke intended) so I choose not to use it just in case it does offend someone.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Nurse57
So do you think pa** is an acceptable term? Are the software writers wrong?

Whats your problem it's just an abbreveation along the lines of Aussie.Do you find Aussie ofensive?
I'm a Brit by the way.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Oh, my nieces and nephews are half "****" Having seen them in tears for being called stinky ***** is not my idea of enjoyment. But if you think it is ok for that term to be used then what can I do.

There lies your answer,'stinky' IS ofensive,**** isn't.

[Shaun]

I think **** shop is a disgusting term.

If it's owned by a black person, does that mean we could call them ****** shops?

And spitfire - last time I checked, Aussie wasn't used by disgusting people like the BNP as a derogatory way of labelling a race.

[Nurse57]

Ok, I apologise for calling _Audrey a racist. I don't know you. You may or may not be. You do use racist language though. And in an open discussion about the word and subject I will put my view forward.

[Nurse57]

Spitfire. The two words together are racist. Or are you saying stinky **** is no more offensive than stinky?

[Chemicle]

ok i've read through most of this topic, i see that most people are going on about the way "packy" is used offensive and racist, but what about these so called "packies" being racist back. Of course no one mensions that, most authority figures ignore the fact that these "packys" are being racist in the first place, i am getting sick of being dragged into my head of years office for fighting back when they are being racist to me, none of that is seen because this is branded a "white" country, when in fact there is people living in this country, who aren't "white" offending us. I am putting my point across that there is two sides to a fight, and that if your gonna start on about the word "packy" then maybe you should think about what they say too.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Or are you saying stinky pa** is no more offensive than stinky?

Correct.If i were called 'Stinky' or 'Stinky Brit' i'd be offened.Neither would be more offensive.

[Nurse57]

And it is disgusting if that is happening to you. Racism goes both ways, and is wrong both ways. In what way have you being racially abused?

[Nurse57]

"Correct.If i were called 'Stinky' or 'Stinky Brit' i'd be offened.Neither would be more offensive. "

That is because Brit has never been used as an insult. **** has over the years.

[Rocko]

Like most words, to take offense on it would depend on the context.

I prefer not using the term "p.a.k.i" at all as I grew up where idiots were using it as a derogatory term.