[NettoSuperstar!]

Diana is now 9-4 fave Paddy Power and 3-1 fave at Betfair

[XxShortyxX]

Yay, go Diana

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by GiRThDo you think playing an instrument and writing songs is as easy as that? I can play the guitar but I can't write songs for sh*t. And there are many like me. Diana may be the same. I don't think saying she can learn is going to make her into a good enough songwriter to make a career out of it.

Also, all through the auditions there was not mention of her being able to play an instrument. I'd have thought she'd have mentioned it at some point because she did feature quite heavily in the audition shows.

Yes I do. I can only play a recorder and the flute, but I could create a melody for a song. Then using a computer and a keyboard I could probably even arrange it and I know enough about music to know what works and sounds right. I didn't spend all the time at primary school and secondary school until I was 14 without learning something about music.

But then again may be you are right and she can't write her own songs but does that really matter?

There are lots of singers out there that don't write their own stuff, so what is the problem.

I think it is people want to compare her to other people, why can't she be her own person and appreciated for what she does.

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
thats not true! Why was Ben Mills playing instruments?
And Journey South, even the Mcdonald brothers?
I am afraid you got that wrong! American Idol wasnt allowed until a year ago, but Xfactor is!

And I am pretty certain she dont, if she did, it would be mentioned! It alaways is!

I didn't know that. I'm amazed that none of them have played an instrument yet. You would have thought one of the would have done so by now.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by microscope
You mean you disagree with Aint_mad_atcha.

Yes I did..... my dyslexia strikes again....... sorry

[microscope]

Originally posted by Red Moon

Yes I did..... my dyslexia strikes again....... sorry

I'm sorry, I had no idea!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Yes I do. I can only play a recorder and the flute, but I could create a melody for a song. Then using a computer and a keyboard I could probably even arrange it and I know enough about music to know what works and sounds right. I didn't spend all the time at primary school and secondary school until I was 14 without learning something about music.

But then again may be you are right and she can't write her own songs but does that really matter?

There are lots of singers out there that don't write their own stuff, so what is the problem.

I think it is people want to compare her to other people, why can't she be her own person and appreciated for what she does.

If that’s the case then why aren’t we all millions selling songwriters? You've oversimplified it a touch. It may be true that anyone can write a song but can anyone write an album, then follow that up with a 2nd album a year later, then a third album a year after that and so on and so on

It does matter that she doesn't write her own songs because, as I've pointed out a couple of times, I don’t think professional songwriters would write songs for her as opposed to much bigger better selling commercial artists. I just don’t see it.

I think if she can't write her own songs then she won't have much of a career in the music business.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by microscope

I'm sorry, I had no idea!

No problem, you wouldn't I use a Apple Macbook and Safari has an inbuilt spell checker.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by GiRTh
If that’s the case then why aren’t we all millions selling songwriters. You've oversimplified it a touch. It may be true that anyone can write a song but can anyone write an album, then follow that up with a 2nd album a year later, then a third album a year after that and so on and so on

It does matter that she doesn't write her own songs because, as I've pointed out a couple of times, I don’t think professional songwriters would write songs for her as opposed to much bigger better selling commercial artists. I just don’t see it.

I think if she can't write her own songs then she won't have much of a career in the music business.

Because we can't be bothered and have other things to do in life. We all don't aspire to be singers or song writers. and I'm sure once yo have done your first song then the second would be easier and so on.

If you are a commercial song writer you not going to turn down work and not all commercial song writers can right for the big names. And any case does she want a established commercial song writer, what she probably needs is a songwriter that is starting their career can develop their style with hers.

I can't see why she needs to write her own stuff, she doesn't have to be a singer/song writer to be a success. Other people have made it in the past.

I think the whole idea of her writing her own stuff is because people seem to want her to emulate existing singers and thinking she can't compete unless she does, but how do you know she can't unless she tries.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Red Moon

Because we can't be bothered and have other things to do in life. We all don't aspire to be singers or song writers. and I'm sure once you have done your first song then the second would be easier and so on.

No. It’s the other way round. It gets harder. Noel Gallagher has said that he thought, when he wrote Definitely Maybe, that he'd be writing albums like that for 20 years. Now fifteen years later he admits that he's struggling as a songwriter.

If you are a commercial song writer you not going to turn down work and not all commercial song writers can right for the big names. And any case does she want a established commercial song writer, what she probably needs is a songwriter that is starting their career can develop their style with hers.

Like Guy Chambers did with Robby Williams? Unfortunately relationships like that are few and far between.

I can't see why she needs to write her own stuff, she doesn't have to be a singer/song writer to be a success. Other people have made it in the past.

Who recently? Back in the sixties and seventies maybe but not these days. These day a vocalist needs to be outstanding - or win a 'talent' contest - to get away without writing their own material.

Ithink the whole idea of her writing her own stuff is because people seem to want her to emulate existing singers and thinking she can't compete unless she does, but how do you know she can't unless she tries.

For me the reason why she has to write her own stuff is because I don’t think she can be taken seriously as an artist if she doesn't. Her vocals are not good enough.

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Tbh she's good enough for the singles market. She doesn't need to play instruments, just record her voice!! She is obviously popular. I remain unconvinced.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Its not all about the vocals, its the full pop package, its the X factor, you might not like her but loads do and loads will probably buy into it

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by GiRTh
No. It’s the other way round. etc....

That's is Noel Gallagher's experiance of song writing that it gets harder as time goes on, it can't be everyones or people wouldn't do it for a living.

If it can work with Guy Chambers did with Robby Williams, why can't that sort relationship happen again, just because they are few and far between doesn't mean they can't happen, because clear it does.

The point she is different and that is why she could sing songs written for her and if people aren't happy she doesn't write her own stuff then they don't have to buy her albums. It's not compulsory.

[GiRTh]

The Noel Gallagher reference was just to emphasise someone who wrote a few songs, had a few hits and thought the whole thing was easy only to later find out song writing is a lot harder than they initially anticipated.

If she got herself a Guy Chambers i.e. someone who would help her write songs then I think she'll have a future but I don't see any other way she can survive.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by GiRTh
The Noel Gallagher reference was just to emphasise someone who wrote a few songs, had a few hits and thought the whole thing was easy only to later find out song writing is a lot harder than they initially anticipated.

If she got herself a Guy Chambers i.e. someone who would help her write songs then I think she'll have a future but I don't see any other way she can survive.

I guess only time will tell.

But at the moment and until she leaves the X-Factor she will be a lovely contrast to all the belt it out girl singers.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Red Moon
I guess only time will tell.

But at the moment and until she leaves the X-Factor she will be a lovely contrast to all the belt it out girl singers.

At some point she's going to have to prove she can belt songs out too. Until then I think she's wildly overrated. Her vocal style is very stylised with little emphasis on vocal power and technique. Her only appeal seems to be her quirky nature. I think she needs more.

[XxShortyxX]

IMO, Diana has the X Factor, the looks, voice, stage precence, chrisma ect.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by GiRTh

At some point she's going to have to prove she can belt songs out too. Until then I think she's wildly overrated. Her vocal style is very stylised with little emphasis on vocal power and technique. Her only appeal seems to be her quirky nature. I think she needs more.

Everyone keeps telling you its not her only appeal, she looks like a star, shes cute and charismatic shes appeals to a wide range of people, she has a good voice, better than girls aloud who were well ropey saturday! and it doesnt matter if they dont belt out songs. They dont have to have the most technically perfect voice to have IT and make it in the pop world

[Z]

Originally posted by GiRTh

At some point she's going to have to prove she can belt songs out too. Until then I think she's wildly overrated. Her vocal style is very stylised with little emphasis on vocal power and technique. Her only appeal seems to be her quirky nature. I think she needs more.

That's my fear for Diana, I think she's very good but the quirkiness is hiding the fact she's not really shown much power to her voice. I thought her performance in week 2 was a cheap imitation of her performance in week 1. If she does something similar in week 3, people are going to see her as a one trick pony.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Z

That's my fear for Diana, I think she's very good but the quirkiness is hiding the fact she's not really shown much power to her voice. I thought her performance in week 2 was a cheap imitation of her performance in week 1. If she does something similar in week 3, people are going to see her as a one trick pony.

thats the way she sings! and she doesnt need to be a mariah or a whitney, people like her voice the way it is, shes got character which some of them are sadly lacking! Technical perfect singing is not what its about!!

[NettoSuperstar!]

...and if you want to get technical JLS have been off key more than Diana who hasnt at all

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by GiRTh
At some point she's going to have to prove she can belt songs out too. Until then I think she's wildly overrated. Her vocal style is very stylised with little emphasis on vocal power and technique. Her only appeal seems to be her quirky nature. I think she needs more.

But that is what she is, why should she try and be like the rest of them. She not that sort of singer and probably never will be.

Do we really need a world full of women singers that just belt stuff out?

Okay, she is going to have problems with some of the themes on the x-factor, but so is Laura with her voice which is more jazzy, but that is just the way the show works and in the end it won't affect the either girls career at the end of the day. It's just a game show.

[Z]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

thats the way she sings! and she doesnt need to be a mariah or a whitney, people like her voice the way it is, shes got character which some of them are sadly lacking! Technical perfect singing is not what its about!!

I know, I like Diana, my point isn't how good her singing is, it's how she's picked two songs that have a similar tempo that have worked well with her voice - which is great. But Big Band Week is a tough one, and I'm struggling to come up with ideas about what she's going to sing this week. If she picks another slow song, people are going to see her as a one trick pony.

However, I really hope she's in the final 6 (I have 6 favourites at the moment. Haha.)

[GiRTh]

I agree with Z. Diana hasn't shown much true vocal talent so far. She needs to show that she can belt songs out, that she can sing vibrato, she can improvise while signing etc. I think Red is wrong Laura has shown many of those qualities where as Diana is still relying on her quirkiness.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Z
I know, I like Diana, my point isn't how good her singing is, it's how she's picked two songs that have a similar tempo that have worked well with her voice - which is great. But Big Band Week is a tough one, and I'm struggling to come up with ideas about what she's going to sing this week. If she picks another slow song, people are going to see her as a one trick pony.

However, I really hope she's in the final 6 (I have 6 favourites at the moment. Haha.)

You're right she could end up sounding the same ever week and it will be hard for her to up her game and that could be her downfall.

Like you I think that this week will be hard for her. I keep trying to think of a soft sounding big band songs and I can't think of any, but she not going to be the only one with this problem as Eoghan going to find it hard with his weak voice.

[Red Moon]

I agree with NettoSuperstar! Diana is who she is and she doesn't have to sound like mariah or a whitney. I think Girth is wrong for wanting to change her into something she isn't.

And as Laura she is a completely different type of singer than Diana and sings in a different style. It would be pointless try to make Diana sound like Laura.