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Niamh. · 21-10-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Yep, it's funny how the Pope casually said 'Limbo does not exist'. Where did all those unbaptized babies go?

lol, I know, that was made up years ago so the rich could buy their way out of it! Always comes back to money with organized religions. Same as politics, the power & the money drives them

Crimson Dynamo · 21-10-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Dan Brown?? lol. If people are generally good, then I don't see why they need to follow a whole set of rules which are alot of times pointless. I mean, take Catholicism for example, you're not allowed to use contraciption so it's better to have unwanted babies??? makes no sense at all

I love your Catholicism summary. Perhaps you could look into it a bit more?

Niamh. · 21-10-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I love your Catholicism summary. Perhaps you could look into it a bit more?

I was born into being a Catholic so don't you worry I know all about it and have choosen to use my own mind and not blindly follow what I was told to.

Rob · 21-10-2009, 03:22 PM

i'm a non-believer

InOne · 21-10-2009, 03:57 PM

Ahhhh Catholics, always making it up as they go along, got to love it.

Sticks · 21-10-2009, 05:12 PM

So who is you contention with, Christianity or Catholicism?

Many don't read the Bible and just accept what some groups say what it teaches. Also some who profess to be Christians do not live up to those ideals.

As for "unbaptised babies"

First Baptism if you read the New Testament was for believers and not infants. Second it was by immersion as the Greek word Baptizo used means immerse and baptism in Romans 6 and Colossians 2 is portrayed as a burial
Thirdly, infants are born innocent and not contaminated with the sin of Adam. That is the false doctrine of Original Sin, which Ezekiel 18 demolishes. Sin according to 1John is an act. Babies who die in infancy reach heaven and do not have to go to Limbo, a place whose existance is not supported by scripture either.

InOne · 21-10-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks

So who is you contention with, Christianity or Catholicism?

Many don't read the Bible and just accept what some groups say what it teaches. Also some who profess to be Christians do not live up to those ideals.

As for "unbaptised babies"

First Baptism if you read the New Testament was for believers and not infants. Second it was by immersion as the Greek word Baptizo used means immerse and baptism in Romans 6 and Colossians 2 is portrayed as a burial
Thirdly, infants are born innocent and not contaminated with the sin of Adam. That is the false doctrine of Original Sin, which Ezekiel 18 demolishes. Sin according to 1John is an act. Babies who die in infancy reach heaven and do not have to go to Limbo, a place whose existance is not supported by scripture either.

Ahhh yeah that is right, don't think or question about it, just accept it. Just about sums up Christianity.

Crimson Dynamo · 21-10-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Ahhh yeah that is right, don't think or question about it, just accept it. Just about sums up Christianity.

2000 years worth of debate on one subject, written and analysed more than any topic imaginable

and you reply thus..

As I have said, you unintentionally lay your self open with every keystroke

InOne · 21-10-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

2000 years worth of debate on one subject, written and analysed more than any topic imaginable

and you reply thus..

As I have said, you unintentionally lay your self open with every keystroke

Just cos it's deabated does not make it true!!!!!!!!

Wildcat! · 21-10-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Ahhh yeah that is right, don't think or question about it, just accept it. Just about sums up Christianity.

The irony is, you are acre actually the one who dont question your beliefs. You take the easy way out, probably because faith is something, thats above your brain capability.

InOne · 21-10-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

The irony is, you are acre actually the one who dont question your beliefs. You take the easy way out, probably because faith is something, thats above your brain capability.

Try again. Oh and why are you even talking to me?

Stu · 21-10-2009, 06:03 PM

This is all so confusing. I will stick by my original argument. If Jesus was that great a deity, he would come down and fill us all with the knowledge of his story and clear this whole mess up.

Still waiting for somebody to refute that...

Wildcat! · 21-10-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ProbeEight

This is all so confusing. I will stick by my original argument. If Jesus was that great a deity, he would come down and fill us all with the knowledge of his story and clear this whole mess up.

Still waiting for somebody to refute that...

WHat would be the point? Life is supposed to be full of ups and downs. If it was obvious to everyone that there is one almighty god, and these are his instructions, everyone would be like zombies. I think there are supposed to be believers, and non believers. It would be too easy otherwise.

Wildcat! · 21-10-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ProbeEight

This is all so confusing. I will stick by my original argument. If Jesus was that great a deity, he would come down and fill us all with the knowledge of his story and clear this whole mess up.

Still waiting for somebody to refute that...

SOme christian will argue, that if God showed himself,and gave you irrefutable proof, it would not longer be able to say I didnt know. So anything evil you did, would be unforgivable.
It all has to do with us proving ourselves to be able to make up our own mind, with the little unproven guidance we received. WIll you choose right from wrong without the proof that god exists.

See, I believe in god and my religion, but I do not believe that non believers will all go to hell. I think its even more admirable for someone to be good, even though they dont believe in god, and dont think there will be consequences for their actions in the after life. ANd if I can see the logic in that, I dont see how the almighty god, would not see it.

Stu · 21-10-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

SOme christian will argue, that if God showed himself,and gave you irrefutable proof, it would not longer be able to say I didnt know. So anything evil you did, would be unforgivable.
It all has to do with us proving ourselves to be able to make up our own mind, with the little unproven guidance we received. WIll you choose right from wrong without the proof that god exists.

See, I believe in god and my religion, but I do not believe that non believers will all go to hell. I think its even more admirable for someone to be good, even though they don't believe in god, and dont think there will be consequences for their actions in the after life. And if I can see the logic in that, I don't see how the almighty god, would not see it.

Good points, but it seems like such a cheap way out, to chalk it all up to free will. What about people in isolated parts of the world who have no knowledge of anything outside there own indigenous culture? Are they going to hell? I know you don't believe in that but isin't that what happens to non believers?

Understand gods infinite love for you or suffer eternal damnation?

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So anything evil you did, would be unforgivable.

I thought the whole point of Jesus was to redeem us and save us from our sins no matter what?

Wait a second...

...I have lost track of myself.

Can you start to see the thousands of interpretations out there? How do you know which one is right?

Dozens of books, dozens of authors, hundreds of edits, dozens of versions, thousands of years, historical and scientific, provable inaccuracies no matter which version.

And this is the basis for some sort of coherent faith?

Sorry, but call me faithless. It's too big a pill to swallow.

Wildcat! · 21-10-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ProbeEight

Good points, but it seems like such a cheap way out, to chalk it all up to free will. What about people in isolated parts of the world who have no knowledge of anything outside there own indigenous culture? Are they going to hell? I know you don't believe in that but isin't that what happens to non believers?

Understand gods infinite love for you or suffer eternal damnation?

I thought the whole point of Jesus was to redeem us and save us from our sins no matter what?

Wait a second...

...I have lost track of myself.

Can you start to see the thousands of interpretations out there? How do you know which one is right?

Dozens of books, dozens of authors, hundreds of edits, dozens of versions, thousands of years, historical and scientific, provable inaccuracies no matter which version.

And this is the basis for some sort of coherent faith?

Sorry, but call me faithless. It's too big a pill to swallow.

For the indigenous people, I actually asked a muslim scholar about that. And he told me, that its in the hand of god, and it doesnt say anywhere in the scriptures, that they will go to hell. So I believe those people are held to the standard of good and bad. I dont know what the bible say about it.

As for Jesus saving us for our sin, and what not, I mean I am not christian, but I think thats the point why god doesnt gove you irrefutable proof. If he did, then you wouldnt have Jesus say, I think he said “Father forgive them for they know not what they do…...” something like that. So with irreutable proof, he wouldnt be able to say that.

ANd all those interpretations, thats what human do. They twist things, make the perfect imperfect. Its human nature. And I think the challenge is exactly that, to make sense of all the confusion. I think it would be, for lack of a better word, boring.

InOne · 21-10-2009, 06:05 PM

I am still waiting for a good explanation of the Trinity!!!! 1+1+1=1 ok then????????

InOne · 21-10-2009, 06:12 PM

The idea of a God is a delusion. Fact.

setanta · 21-10-2009, 06:15 PM

I often wonder how many atheists start praying once they're on their deathbeds.

InOne · 21-10-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

I often wonder how many atheists start praying once they're on their deathbeds.

That is a myth. Do you believe in God?

setanta · 21-10-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

That is a myth. Do you believe in God?

How do you know it's a myth? I'd imagine that there would be quite a few who suddenly start praying to something or someone.

InOne · 21-10-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

How do you know it's a myth? I'd imagine that there would be quite a few who suddenly start praying to something or someone.

It is amyth because alot of people are brought up Atheist these days. Why would they pray to something they know nothing about?

setanta · 21-10-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

It is amyth because alot of people are brought up Atheist these days. Why would they pray to something they know nothing about?

Throughout time mankind has always believed in something beyond the physical world- usually a diety of some kind but not always. I think it's in our nature to have faith in something that can't be defined or bottled up and processed.