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Stu · 21-10-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Most of our (and your) morality comes from the Bible

Yeah, it's done such a good job, has it not?

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Originally Posted by InOne

Do you agree with the idea of original sin?

How convenient it is that we are ALL born with sin, and the only way to heal it so to speak is to come to Jesus. L. Ron Hubbard would be proud!

You may also notice that quiet a lot of the seven 'deadly' sins lead to physical and emotional gratification. And that a few directly contradict, remove or solve the others [Pride Vs. Gluttony, for instance].

InOne · 21-10-2009, 02:03 PM

Ahhhh well we won't get through to these, they have an answer to everything, delusional or not.

Crimson Dynamo · 21-10-2009, 02:32 PM

if only you lot actually had a basic knowledge of what Christianity is then there could be a serious debate. All we have had so far is some myths, cliches and the usual insults that try (badly) to disguise a lack of subject knowledge.

InOne · 21-10-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if only you lot actually had a basic knowledge of what Christianity is then there could be a serious debate. All we have had so far is some myths, cliches and the usual insults that try (badly) to disguise a lack of subject knowledge.

Don't make me laugh, we know exactly what it is.

Tom4784 · 21-10-2009, 02:50 PM

I think there's every possibility of a greater force but I do find the bible contradictory on points. I don't believe in placing all my eggs in one basket though so I don't really follow any religion and I don't think it's a point worth worrying about until you are near death or dead since we've got no proof to prove there's anything beyond death and no proof to say there isn't.

Crimson Dynamo · 21-10-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think there's every possibility of a greater force but I do find the bible contradictory on points. I don't believe in placing all my eggs in one basket though so I don't really follow any religion and I don't think it's a point worth worrying about until you are near death or dead since we've got no proof to prove there's anything beyond death and no proof to say there isn't.

The Bible is 66 books written over thousands of years, some poetry, some prophesy, some allegory and some eyewitness history. The Old testament provides the types and shadows of what was to come in the New testament. The overarching theme is love.

Christianity is about faith and love. It is about how you live your life and how you treat others. It is not about a few facts or about death. It is about going to church, living, interacting and being.

Sticks · 21-10-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Do you agree with the idea of original sin?

Original Sin is a false doctrine, See Ezekiel 18 which comprehensively refutes it.

InOne · 21-10-2009, 03:20 PM

Christianity itself is full of contradictions and 'false' doctrines. Read the Bible, actually read it, you will see.

Rob · 21-10-2009, 03:22 PM

i'm a non-believer

Niamh. · 21-10-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think there's every possibility of a greater force but I do find the bible contradictory on points. I don't believe in placing all my eggs in one basket though so I don't really follow any religion and I don't think it's a point worth worrying about until you are near death or dead since we've got no proof to prove there's anything beyond death and no proof to say there isn't.

Absolutely!! I agree 100% with this!!^^^^^^^^

NettoSuperstar! · 21-10-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ProbeEight

Don't get me wrong, I know you never said the Bible was factually accurate, my point is you don't need a reason to be nice to people. And someone following in Jesus' path is certainly admiral, given how morally up to scratch Jesus is in the New Testament [despite what an egotistical bastard he was in the old testament, or was that God? No Jesus is god. But wait, why does he pray to god then? I guess he must be the son of god. The trinity is a fascinating thing!] but it does NOT render religion valid in my eyes. Your still committing good acts in the name of something false.

I could go out on the streets now and give everybody a tenner in the name of Twacksmith, the god of leather pants, but despite my good actions, it would not make what I believe anymore credible.

You will, I should point out, see HOARDS of scientologists in there little yellow jackets helping people and showering them with care at most major disasters in America.

Hehe and I'd wholeheartedly respect your faith in Twacksmith especially if you were givin me a tenner

Crimson Dynamo · 21-10-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Christianity itself is full of contradictions and 'false' doctrines. Read the Bible, actually read it, you will see.

Dan Brown has a lot to answer for.

InOne · 21-10-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Dan Brown has a lot to answer for.

He writes fiction. Same as the bible.

Niamh. · 21-10-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Dan Brown has a lot to answer for.

Dan Brown?? lol. If people are generally good, then I don't see why they need to follow a whole set of rules which are alot of times pointless. I mean, take Catholicism for example, you're not allowed to use contraciption so it's better to have unwanted babies??? makes no sense at all

InOne · 21-10-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Dan Brown?? lol. If people are generally good, then I don't see why they need to follow a whole set of rules which are alot of times pointless. I mean, take Catholicism for example, you're not allowed to use contraciption so it's better to have unwanted babies??? makes no sense at all

Yep, it's funny how the Pope casually said 'Limbo does not exist'. Where did all those unbaptized babies go?

Crimson Dynamo · 21-10-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Dan Brown?? lol. If people are generally good, then I don't see why they need to follow a whole set of rules which are alot of times pointless. I mean, take Catholicism for example, you're not allowed to use contraciption so it's better to have unwanted babies??? makes no sense at all

I love your Catholicism summary. Perhaps you could look into it a bit more?

Niamh. · 21-10-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Yep, it's funny how the Pope casually said 'Limbo does not exist'. Where did all those unbaptized babies go?

lol, I know, that was made up years ago so the rich could buy their way out of it! Always comes back to money with organized religions. Same as politics, the power & the money drives them

Niamh. · 21-10-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I love your Catholicism summary. Perhaps you could look into it a bit more?

I was born into being a Catholic so don't you worry I know all about it and have choosen to use my own mind and not blindly follow what I was told to.

InOne · 21-10-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

lol, I know, that was made up years ago so the rich could buy their way out of it! Always comes back to money with organized religions. Same as politics, the power & the money drives them

Yep I think even recently the Pope said, send more money to the church and spend less time in purgatory!!! An old Medievil scam.

Crimson Dynamo · 21-10-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Yep I think even recently the Pope said, send more money to the church and spend less time in purgatory!!! An old Medievil scam.

Us protestants cottoned onto that in the 16th century and kicked up a stink...

Niamh. · 21-10-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Yep I think even recently the Pope said, send more money to the church and spend less time in purgatory!!! An old Medievil scam.

Yeah, same with the priests not being able to marry, they were years ago but the church didn't want the wives getting their property so they changed the rule! Loving or money hungry, you decide???