[CharlieO]

As we know, on this forum occasionally rude unnecessary 'arguments' occur. This is not what I am talking about.

In the past few months I have been involved in civil debates over what another member has possibly said. The replies to these on my part have rarely broken official rules. However they have to be deleted (somewhat understandably) as they can ruin the ambiance of the thread in question. Similar to what just happened in beloved Marc's thread.

What I am requesting is not a thread for arguing. But a thread where posts which may ruin one thread can be moved to, so that when someone wants to get their point across in a civil way to another member, they can. So that neither party; the thread maker, nor so called 'arguer', has to have their part ruined or feel they are being unjustly treated.

Of course the threadm if leaved as an argument thread would just result to petty insults and an animalistic mess. So rules would need to be made clear to begin with that it is about civil debate resolving, not baiting or insults.

This is what I do feel could improve the forum, because it does not unjustly delete people's posts when they have done no wrong but then does also not ruin the thread where a minuscule 'conflict' could arise.

Maybe a possible trial could be put in place or a vote so we could see if it would help keep peace in other threads but let people have their opinions when used in an intelligent calm manor.

Also it could make a good read for some other members on a later date
Please do not just disregard this idea because it is 'CharlieO' suggesting it.

[Locke.]

Bring back The Independents

[Mystic Mock]

I like the sound of your idea CharlieO,but I don't think the Mods or Admins would take the risk due to some members abusing it I think.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

I like the sound of your idea CharlieO,but I don't think the Mods or Admins would take the risk due to some members abusing it I think.

That's why there would need to be clear well written rules and severe consequences would be taken if people over step the mark.

[Smithy]

No Holds Barred sub forum plz

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Smithy

No Holds Barred sub forum plz

x2

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Smithy

No Holds Barred sub forum plz

This ^^

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by Smithy

No Holds Barred sub forum plz

would be great

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Smithy

No Holds Barred sub forum plz

Oooh god, I could only imagine how well that'd go down.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Smithy

No Holds Barred sub forum plz

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[InOne]

Seems a bit pointless. There's not even that much arguing anymore.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by InOne

Seems a bit pointless. There's not even that much arguing anymore.

Because the moderators mass delete like crazy as soon as anything close to a debate occurs.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

Because the moderators mass delete like crazy as soon as anything close to a debate occurs.

That's because those posts aren't related to the thread what so ever, even if it is my thread about wet wipes lol

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marc

That's because those posts aren't related to the thread what so ever, even if it is my thread about wet wipes lol

yur making me dizzy!

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Marc

That's because those posts aren't related to the thread what so ever, even if it is my thread about wet wipes lol

Yes and that is why I am asking for things to be moved into a designated thread rather than deleted all together. So nothing is ruined.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

Because the moderators mass delete like crazy as soon as anything close to a debate occurs.

Yeah that does annoy me a bit really. It used to be able to pan out more. But threads are locked quite quickly these days. (And this probably will too)

[Josy]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

Because the moderators mass delete like crazy as soon as anything close to a debate occurs.

Thats a bit of an exaggeration tbh Charlie, we delete posts when they have been reported and are breaking the rules and when our warnings in the thread are ignored we don't delete them at the first sign of an argument

[Marc]

Just PM each other instead of spamming threads.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Marc

Just PM each other instead of spamming threads.

That is a fair point. However I will explain why it does not work.

A thread is far more easily quotable.
Also if you PM someone they just accuse you of 'baiting' and 'stalking' on the basis that they cannot ignore a PM. If someone wishes to leave a thread and not reply they can easily do so. A PM can not be left unopened unless you want an outstanding notification and not readily ignored.
A thread would work better as one can't be accused of spamming an inbox.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

That is a fair point. However I will explain why it does not work.

A thread is far more easily quotable.
Also if you PM someone they just accuse you of 'baiting' and 'stalking' on the basis that they cannot ignore a PM. If someone wishes to leave a thread and not reply they can easily do so. A PM can not be left unopened unless you want an outstanding notification and not readily ignored.
A thread would work better as one can't be accused of spamming an inbox.

You really don't believe that argument, do you?

People will want to reply to a thread because it's in a public space and they want to be seen getting the better of the situation. PM's are incredibly easy to read, ignore and delete. I've done it countless times in the past with people who were not worth my time.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Stu

You really don't believe that argument, do you?

People will want to reply to a thread because it's in a public space and they want to be seen getting the better of the situation. PM's are incredibly easy to read, ignore and delete. I've done it countless times in the past with people who were not worth my time.

I do believe it yes. As in the past I have been unfairly infracted because I was PMing someone clam and justified points. But a report was made so an infraction was given for 'spamming'.

[Ramsay]

I'd be the laziest mod ever..more lazy than Nathan!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

I do believe it yes. As in the past I have been unfairly infracted because I was PMing someone clam and justified points. But a report was made so an infraction was given for 'spamming'.

maybe you should take your own advice and get out more, if the forum is upsetting you that much, maybe a few days helping out in a charity shop or doing something more useful with your time would be just the ticket? otherwise you could just let it all drift over you, and not worry about having the last word!

[Marc]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

That is a fair point. However I will explain why it does not work.

A thread is far more easily quotable.
Also if you PM someone they just accuse you of 'baiting' and 'stalking' on the basis that they cannot ignore a PM. If someone wishes to leave a thread and not reply they can easily do so. A PM can not be left unopened unless you want an outstanding notification and not readily ignored.
A thread would work better as one can't be accused of spamming an inbox.

To be honest you can ignore a thread or report any nuisances just as much as you can with a thread. And you can delete them if you want to leave the conversation. To be completely honest, as much as your arguments with half the forum would be entertaining for everybody else to read it would only cause arguments and sides being taken and for tensions to build and spill over into other threads by people who aren't even involved in the original argument.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Marc

To be honest you can ignore a thread or report any nuisances just as much as you can with a thread. And you can delete them if you want to leave the conversation. To be completely honest, as much as your arguments with half the forum would be entertaining for everybody else to read it would only cause arguments and sides being taken and for tensions to build and spill over into other threads by people who aren't even involved in the original argument.

I am not suggesting arguments that are so outrageous that they would spill over. I just want a thread where debates with fully justified points can be carried on rather than just to be straight deleted as if we are under such control of you moderators that part of us just can get erased at your choosing.

It could be a rule that others are not to join with out both parties consent.

Please just relate this to my original post and what I proposed not the baboons shouting for a 'Fight Club'.