[lostalex]

Can't we all just kill each other?

[Kizzy]

and on that note i can sleep soundly in my bed, safe in the knowledge that there are other sane persons in the world.

[lostalex]

i think i speak for the entire forum when i say STF.U^. serious;y though,

Denise is a p[sycho alchoholic. end of.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i think i speak for the entire forum when i say STF.U^. serious;y though,

Denise is a p[sycho alchoholic. end of.

Im not stupid and I understand text speech... No, I won't ****.

[Saph]

Who cares if shes had affair's, YOU SHAG IT AND SHOUT IT DENISE GIRL!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

Who cares if shes had affair's, YOU SHAG IT AND SHOUT IT DENISE GIRL!

LOL.

By any stretch of the imagination: no 53 year old can EVER be called a girl.

she shouts about it alright: if it's not in books, she's on telly pretending she's all distraught.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

Who cares if shes had affair's, YOU SHAG IT AND SHOUT IT DENISE GIRL!

Sadly, there's far too many people invested in the lives of other people that actually fail to step back and realise that actually...those that they are criticising so...well, ridiculously, are the ones that are out having fun, and making the most of their lives living it the way they want, compared to themselves who sit in and complain about that.

I'll never understand the mentality. This obsession with prudishness and being so reserved. And complaining about those who don't...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Sadly, there's far too many people invested in the lives of other people that actually fail to step back and realise that actually...those that they are criticising so...well, ridiculously, are the ones that are out having fun, and making the most of their lives living it the way they want, compared to themselves who sit in and complain about that.

I'll never understand the mentality. This obsession with prudishness and being so reserved. And complaining about those who don't...

You don't understand the mentality of people who don't share the same opinion as you - people who have morales - now that I can understand from you.

It's obviously bypassed your notice that people are discussing someone who is in the public eye: puts herself in the public eye quite deliberately, has chosen a very public career, who offer up her personal life on a plate herself and offers her life story on a plate to the public. she can't have her cake and eat it too. Which part of that mentality don't you get? If it wasn't for the public discussing her - good or bad, positive or negative - she'd be no better than a cheap skanky street walker.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Sadly, there's far too many people invested in the lives of other people that actually fail to step back and realise that actually...those that they are criticising so...well, ridiculously, are the ones that are out having fun, and making the most of their lives living it the way they want, compared to themselves who sit in and complain about that.

I'll never understand the mentality. This obsession with prudishness and being so reserved. And complaining about those who don't...

In the same way that you are on here so very often complaining and moaning about anyone who doesn't think Denise is someone to be respected !!!

I've had many years of lots of fun - and always managed to keep my clothes on in public. I don't need to strip off to get the attention of others......

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You don't understand the mentality of people who don't share the same opinion as you - people who have morales - now that I can understand from you.

I don't have morals? Laughable. Absolutely laughable.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's obviously bypassed your notice that people are discussing someone who is in the public eye: puts herself in the public eye quite deliberately, has chosen a very public career, who offer up her personal life on a plate herself and offers her life story on a plate to the public. she can't have her cake and eat it too. Which part of that mentality don't you get? If it wasn't for the public discussing her - good or bad, positive or negative - she'd be no better than a cheap skanky street walker.

Firstly...you can hardly criticise anyone for doing any 'bypassing'. Just to clear that up.

My problem is with people's undying hatred of the woman. Some of you act like she's killed a baby, it's pathetic. Yes, offer your opinion on her...but don't slag her off every single minute of every single day, you look like you're obsessed...and quite frankly, I think you are.

Lastly, why would she be no better than a 'cheap skanky street walker'? Because she gets her tits out, really? And how do you define cheap and skanky and why do you define it in that way? These are all questions you never seem to consider. As I mentioned once before in this thread, but you quite conveniently ignored (perhaps because I raised a valid point that you were incapable of arguing against), that what exactly is the problem with someone getting their tits out? Or sleeping around if they are single? What's the problem? Why do so many people look down on it? It's a concept you have all bought into - but that doesn't mean it actually is wrong.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

In the same way that you are on here so very often complaining and moaning about anyone who doesn't think Denise is someone to be respected !!!

I never said she's to be respected, but I never said she's to be disrespected either. It's about, you know...leaving her to enjoy her life, instead of constantly scrutinising every move she makes, it's stalker-like.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I've had many years of lots of fun - and always managed to keep my clothes on in public. I don't need to strip off to get the attention of others......

And that's fine - but that doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to take their clothes off for fun in public. It doesn't have to be attention seeking, it can be for a laugh. And there's no problem with it either. You've just been brought up to think that there is, but again, that doesn't mean there actually is. Just because someone flashes it doesn't mean they're on the same level as a murderer. Why do you have to be so uptight, prudish and reserved? Does everybody have to live like that? The answer is no. And those that choose not to live like that, well...there's nothing wrong with that either.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't have morals? Laughable. Absolutely laughable.



Firstly...you can hardly criticise anyone for doing any 'bypassing'. Just to clear that up.

My problem is with people's undying hatred of the woman. Some of you act like she's killed a baby, it's pathetic. Yes, offer your opinion on her...but don't slag her off every single minute of every single day, you look like you're obsessed...and quite frankly, I think you are.

Lastly, why would she be no better than a 'cheap skanky street walker'? Because she gets her tits out, really? And how do you define cheap and skanky and why do you define it in that way? These are all questions you never seem to consider. As I mentioned once before in this thread, but you quite conveniently ignored (perhaps because I raised a valid point that you were incapable of arguing against), that what exactly is the problem with someone getting their tits out? Or sleeping around if they are single? What's the problem? Why do so many people look down on it? It's a concept you have all bought into - but that doesn't mean it actually is wrong.



I never said she's to be respected, but I never said she's to be disrespected either. It's about, you know...leaving her to enjoy her life, instead of constantly scrutinising every move she makes, it's stalker-like.



And that's fine - but that doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to take their clothes off for fun in public. It doesn't have to be attention seeking, it can be for a laugh. And there's no problem with it either. You've just been brought up to think that there is, but again, that doesn't mean there actually is. Just because someone flashes it doesn't mean they're on the same level as a murderer. Why do you have to be so uptight, prudish and reserved? Does everybody have to live like that? The answer is no. And those that choose not to live like that, well...there's nothing wrong with that either.

The more you post, the more I agree with you.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't have morals? Laughable. Absolutely laughable.



Firstly...you can hardly criticise anyone for doing any 'bypassing'. Just to clear that up.

My problem is with people's undying hatred of the woman. Some of you act like she's killed a baby, it's pathetic. Yes, offer your opinion on her...but don't slag her off every single minute of every single day, you look like you're obsessed...and quite frankly, I think you are.

Lastly, why would she be no better than a 'cheap skanky street walker'? Because she gets her tits out, really? And how do you define cheap and skanky and why do you define it in that way? These are all questions you never seem to consider. As I mentioned once before in this thread, but you quite conveniently ignored (perhaps because I raised a valid point that you were incapable of arguing against), that what exactly is the problem with someone getting their tits out? Or sleeping around if they are single? What's the problem? Why do so many people look down on it? It's a concept you have all bought into - but that doesn't mean it actually is wrong.



I never said she's to be respected, but I never said she's to be disrespected either. It's about, you know...leaving her to enjoy her life, instead of constantly scrutinising every move she makes, it's stalker-like.



And that's fine - but that doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to take their clothes off for fun in public. It doesn't have to be attention seeking, it can be for a laugh. And there's no problem with it either.

You've just been brought up to think that there is, but again, that doesn't mean there actually is. Just because someone flashes it doesn't mean they're on the same level as a murderer. Why do you have to be so uptight, prudish and reserved? Does everybody have to live like that? The answer is no. And those that choose not to live like that, well...there's nothing wrong with that either.

Therein lies the difference between you and I Jack. I don't have a problem (like you have) with anyone if the choose to thoroughly dislike someone else, and in this case, a two bit celeb.

Everyone is allowed to make their own choices & form opinions on others, according to their belief, their moral values etc.

Unlike you, I don't seek out to disparage someone in the way that you have to do, simply because I don't share the same view. I don't have to do that Jack because I am self assured, I am confident, I am more than aware that my view is not one size fits all - but I certainly don't try to force it down anyone's throat in the manner you do. I don't have to get personal by attacking and insulting other forum members.


That's commonly referred to as accepting that others have a different point of view.

As for my being brought up to think a certain way: it's clear that you have no idea what you are speaking of. You have no iota of knowledge as to how I have lived my life, or how I was brought up. Apart from which: that was decades ago: being an adult and mature woman, I managed to form my own opinions independently long before you were even a twinkle in your mother's eye.

[Me. I Am Salman]

LOOOOL Saph!!

[Jake.]

God, now you are splitting hairs

[Saph]

yay I found a thread where this pic can go

[tonyface]

I think a lot of people are getting into arguments on this thread for no reason.

I thought the real point of the thread was to point out that Denise has seperated from TH.

To me it just proves what a manipulative and deceitful person she is, if you remember the argument, she brought Nicola into the whole thing, by baiting her with the getting em out for living jibe, and then getting all tearful about not getting her letter, when all the time she had been shacking up with someone else, apparently with TH's knowledge.

And then of course there was the Tim Healey PIES, what a vote winner.

What a liar.............and she convinced so many.

Who ate all the Pious.....

[Kizzy]

who ate all the pious! the best comment i have ever seen ever! . There does seem to be a little tag-teaming going on here and i have to say its more than unfair... I respect pyramids view not just because i share it, it may be the way i was raised or the time and place i was raised or the experiences that shaped me into the person i am today. But one thing is certain, i can never and will never like the woman. This is based on everything i have read and seen, i can fully understand why others think differently and i do not think any less of them for their view or seek to change it.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by kizzy

who ate all the pious! the best comment i have ever seen ever! . There does seem to be a little tag-teaming going on here and i have to say its more than unfair... I respect pyramids view not just because i share it, it may be the way i was raised or the time and place i was raised or the experiences that shaped me into the person i am today. But one thing is certain, i can never and will never like the woman. This is based on everything i have read and seen, i can fully understand why others think differently and i do not think any less of them for their view or seek to change it.

I agree. I don't see the point of marrying someone if you are not going to honour and respect your marriage vows. If you want to sleep around, remain single. If you have kids why distress and embarrass them? Pretty selfish IMO.

As to flashing your bits in public, irrespective of personal preferences expressed on this forum, there are laws in place to preserve public decency, and respect other people's sensibilities and cultural and religious observances. If some people don't like that, there are always desert islands, nudist colonies and of course their own homes they can disappear to where they can strip off as much as they like and not offend anyone.

[Wayne-Kerr]

Originally Posted by Angus

I agree. I don't see the point of marrying someone if you are not going to honour and respect your marriage vows. If you want to sleep around, remain single. If you have kids why distress and embarrass them? Pretty selfish IMO.

If you want an open-marriage, so what? It's their decision, not anyone else's. They obviously have a different take on marriage to your own, so it's hardly 'pretty selfish'.

[Kizzy]

Has it ever been documented as an open marriage, or is it speculation... It has also been admitted by both parties they have had 'affairs' this would not be an issue in an 'open marriage'. The definition of a marriage is one of monogamy for the majority, so you can understand if it seems odd to some?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Wayne-Kerr

If you want an open-marriage, so what? It's their decision, not anyone else's. They obviously have a different take on marriage to your own, so it's hardly 'pretty selfish'.

The very point of an open marriage is that one/both parties are in agreement to one/each other having extra-marital affairs.

Given that Denise (more than once) has had to hide affairs, be secretive about them and that her husband found out about one - tells even the most blinded person that they did not have an open marriage.

Denise herself, in her very own words: in her book, says that 'they' managed to get their marriage back on track after her affair in 2005. Thus it was NOT an open marriage - as much as you would like to believe it was.

So yes, not only is she selfish, this married woman had so little respect for herself, as well as her husband (and young children) - and has been repeating such unfaithful and disloyal behaviour for years (and has continued) to the point that her married is now in tatters.

Originally Posted by kizzy

Has it ever been documented as an open marriage, or is it speculation... It has also been admitted by both parties they have had 'affairs' this would not be an issue in an 'open marriage'. The definition of a marriage is one of monogamy for the majority, so you can understand if it seems odd to some?

Yep, 100% Kizzy. After Denise began the illicit affairs - Tim strayed on the back of that - and Denise countinued again - and given my comments to Wayne Kerr, it's obvious that it was not an open marriage: otherwise there would be no need to hide the extramarital liaisons.......... which Denise repeated over the past 7 years or so. Even to the point of arranging secret trysts and paying for an hotel room for her lover - and her telling her husband (who was out golfing) that she was having a massage...... shame she didn't reveal at the time it was with the man she was shagging.

[MTVN]

How can you be a fan of the great Jay McKray and then defend a beast like Denise, disappointing Wayne

[tonyface]

Its hard for all the people who supported and voted for Denise to admit what gullible mugs they were.......