[Niall]

I support it wholeheartedly. Its pretty disgusting that I can't get married to someone I love just because they're the same gender as me. I know I could get a civil partnership but everyone knows its not the same. For it to be equal (well for me at least), then I'd want marriage to ba something available to anyone irrespective of their sexual orientation. Having civil partnerships in lieu of actual marriage isn't in the slightest bit equal to me.

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

That statement is wrong as it's only one aspect of there personality.

Yes, which is why I used the words 'PART OF'

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Toxic

Being gay is not a choice, and you just implied it is which is ridiculous. You have as much say over what your sexuality is as someone does over their skin colour, so the comparisons are appropriate. Also, racial groups experience the same social bigotry as the LGBT community so again, the comparisons are appropriate.

Homosexuals do have to act on it because they are HOMOSEXUAL, that's what they are so why would they not act on it? Would a straight person not have sex with a woman or a man? No.

Being gay is not a choice, if it were, there would be no gay people. Who would choose such a hard life?

No, I didn't imply it wasn't a choice you hysterical skirt.

You still don't have to act on it. Fact. End. It's tough ... it's natural to have sex. Yeah but fact. End. Nobody has to have sex.

These aren't my views ... I just felt like showing up your hackneyed ~race comparison.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

No, it ain't. You can disagree with what someone does and still like the person. I don't agree that my 12-year-old brother has a girlfriend already but I still love him and if you can't understand that then there really is no point in me wasting MY time explaining something to someone who's either taking the piss or really needs to pick up a book or two.

No way? im 4 years older and I haven't had one girlfriend yet.

But a good example Redway, I agree with you 100%.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toxic

Being gay is not a choice, and you just implied it is which is ridiculous. You have as much say over what your sexuality is as someone does over their skin colour, so the comparisons are appropriate. Also, racial groups experience the same social bigotry as the LGBT community so again, the comparisons are appropriate.

Homosexuals do have to act on it because they are HOMOSEXUAL, that's what they are so why would they not act on it? Would a straight person not have sex with a woman or a man? No.

Being gay is not a choice, if it were, there would be no gay people. Who would choose such a hard life?

Well, I am someone who doesn't believe people are born gay. But I also don't believe people choose their sexuality either. It's all to do with nurture and your sexuality is formed within the early years of your life until you sexually mature in your teens. My opinion of course.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toxic

Yes, which is why I used the words 'PART OF'

Ok calm down.

Anyway yes you did use part of, but the way you posted it did still sound like people can't like gay people if they are homophobic, which isn't true as it is only one aspect of someones personality.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

No way? im 4 years older and I haven't had one girlfriend yet.

But a good example Redway, I agree with you 100%.

Try not having one until 17.

At least you're genuine, though. He doesn't have a clue about what love is and he's just dived into the closest one for a snog.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niall

I support it wholeheartedly. Its pretty disgusting that I can't get married to someone I love just because they're the same gender as me. I know I could get a civil partnership but everyone knows its not the same. For it to be equal (well for me at least), then I'd want marriage to ba something available to anyone irrespective of their sexual orientation. Having civil partnerships in lieu of actual marriage isn't in the slightest bit equal to me.

What is it about heterosexual marriage you want?

Everything there is to have bar the actual name is there for you to have. And even then a lot of gay couples still use the words "marriage", "married", "wedding" etc so I don't see the problem.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Try not having one until 17.

At least you're genuine, though. He doesn't have a clue about what love is and he's just dived into the closest one for a snog.

Thanks for the compliment, and I can't blame your Brother tbh, but even i've got to say it took me until I was 14 to want to have a relationship with a girl.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

What is it about heterosexual marriage you want?

Everything there is to have bar the actual name is there for you to have. And even then a lot of gay couples still use the words "marriage", "married", "wedding" etc so I don't see the problem.

For me its the pure fact that as much as gays can say that they're married, in the eyes of the law, its not actual marriage. Its something different. Its just not completely equal imo. I just want that final legal alteration that will would define marriage as a union of two people in love, rather than a man and a woman.

Idk I hope that makes sense.

[Mystic Mock]

I understand what you mean Niall, and I agree with you that it should be done and I think it will someday, like how most countries are multicultural now when like 30 years ago, black people in this country was treated like **** so it all changes.

[Doogle]

Love is love just let people marry and do what the **** they want to do

[Livia]

I don't understand why civil partnerships, which are already legal and give gay people the same rights as a married couple, can't just be called a marriage. It's exactly the same as being married in a register office. If a couple love each other and want to marry, I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to do that.

However... I don't agree with forcing the church to marry gay couples which seems to be uppermost in people's demands. If you're going to force the Christian church to marry gay couples against their belief, you're going to have to force the Catholics, the Jews, the Hindus, the Muslims and every other organised religion to do the same. It seems that people accept that, for instance, the Muslim religion would not allow it, but see no problem with forcing the Christian church to do it. If a gay couple are religious, want to marry in a register office and have a church blessing, then would that not be enough? Many divorced heterosexual couples do this.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niall

For me its the pure fact that as much as gays can say that they're married, in the eyes of the law, its not actual marriage. Its something different. Its just not completely equal imo. I just want that final legal alteration that will would define marriage as a union of two people in love, rather than a man and a woman.

Idk I hope that makes sense.

Given it's roots in history, and of course religious origins that won't change overnight but I do see where you're coming from.

I just think, at least the law accepts gay couples now and recognises them similarly if you know what I mean. A lot of countries, especially America, are having huge troubles just accepting gay people let alone giving them civil partnerships or marriage.

Obviously removing any difference whatsoever and having a one for all is the ultimate ideal. But, I just think, given how much attitudes towards it have changed over the years that gay people should revel in the fact that it's moving in the right direction. And civil partnership, by all accounts, is a massive step.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Stu

BUT ... BLACK PEOPLE!

Homosexuals don't have to engage in homosexual acts though. Black people sort of do have to engage with the act of being black.

I'm not saying they should abstain ... I enjoy a bit of cock sucking myself ... but fuck a duck. The race comparisons have well and truly jumped the shark. Can we make them a bannable offense?

What is this...Reading through a good debate and then...Why are you swearing?

[Marsh.]

Where has my post gone?

[Tom4784]

I deleted some posts so that people can focus on the topic at hand.

[Mystic Mock]

Lostalex has been banned so any posts we've quoted of his will be deleted most likely, even if you personally haven't done anything wrong, but I think it's to not start back up the arguments so they make sure just incase by deleting any quotes of his posts.

[Mystic Mock]

Omg I sounded like a Mod then lol, or the closest to it i've ever came.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I deleted some posts so that people can focus on the topic at hand.

Oh that's ok! I was wondering where my post went! It just vanished!

[HoneyPot]

I think it's a shame that society conditions us to put people into groups to be honest.

Gay person

Straight person

With children

Childless

Asian

Black

White

Native American

Fat

Thin

Catholic

Muslim

Jewish

Rich

Poor

I could go on, but there are too many groupings

Does it really matter? We're all human beings - and no matter what walk of life, culture, religion, gender, social standing etc we're from, do we not all deserve the same rights?

[HoneyPot]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Omg I sounded like a Mod then lol, or the closest to it i've ever came.

Lmaooooo!!!!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by HoneyPot

I think it's a shame that society conditions us to put people into groups to be honest.

Gay person

Straight person

With children

Childless

Asian

Black

White

Native American

Fat

Thin

Catholic

Muslim

Jewish

Rich

Poor

I could go on, but there are too many groupings

Does it really matter? We're all human beings - and no matter what walk of life, culture, religion, gender, social standing etc we're from, do we not all deserve the same rights?

Tbf it doesn't matter to most people, it's just names given out to describe a group of people, it also helps The Police out on investigations aswell when they ask for a description of what the person looks like.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Tbf it doesn't matter to most people, it's just names given out to describe a group of people, it also helps The Police out on investigations aswell when they ask for a description of what the person looks like.

What doesen't matter to most people?
It matters to the the people within those groups....
Are you mocking mockinator....Or are you serious?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Livia

However... I don't agree with forcing the church to marry gay couples which seems to be uppermost in people's demands. If you're going to force the Christian church to marry gay couples against their belief, you're going to have to force the Catholics, the Jews, the Hindus, the Muslims and every other organised religion to do the same. It seems that people accept that, for instance, the Muslim religion would not allow it, but see no problem with forcing the Christian church to do it. If a gay couple are religious, want to marry in a register office and have a church blessing, then would that not be enough? Many divorced heterosexual couples do this.

A good point, but it has to start somewhere. I'll get them bloody muslims

Probably a poor choice of emoticon, really...