[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

That's quite nasty IMO just because someone had drink addiction in the past doesn't mean they can't overcome it, I have seen a few housemates put away more drink than he does but they don't get continually called an alcoholic.

Jim said himself that he learned to control his drinking when it started causing problems in his life, he said he still takes a drink but knows when to stop and he has been seen on the show switching to tea when other housemates are still downing the booze.

It's not nasty josy, If you want to call yourself an ex alcoholic you first have to stop drinking.
He hid wine and has been seen drinking cans in the morning.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

He really annoyed me there
Luisa was ****ing hilarious, such a legend

I bet Gina would have been just as pissed off as Jimbo.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not nasty josy, If you want to call yourself an ex alcoholic you first have to stop drinking.
He hid wine and has been seen drinking cans in the morning.

My opinion is that it's nasty Kizzy and I'm entitled to say that, seen you have digs at his drinking the past few days and I think it's a cheap shot tbh.

He drank the can in the morning (1) btw because BB had taken all the food, teabags and everything else away.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Lostalec - I think your comment is close to libelous. I read that there were some allegations which had been dropped, but none of them involved children.

Well thankfully we don't have the same libel laws in the US as you do in the UK. I've heard about people being arrested for things they say on twitter in the UK, luckily i don't have to worry about that.

My speech is more free than yours

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well it's hard to have evidence for that, especially 20 years later...that's why i used the word "probably". Only he and his maybe victims will ever know for sure. the rest of us can only speculate.

"Probably" suggests that odds are he did do it, how about "accused of", that's the correct term.

I would hate it for you to be wrongly accused of something but later the charges were dropped, how would you like it for everyone in your neighbourhood gossiping about you.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Well thankfully we don't have the same libel laws in the US as you do in the UK. I've heard about people being arrested for things they say on twitter in the UK, luckily i don't have to worry about that.

My speech is more free than yours

Well you have to worry about posting them on here.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Videostar

"Probably" suggests that odds are he did do it, how about "accused of", that's the correct term.

"probably" just means my opinion is leaning towards he did it. But I'm leaving the possibility of him being innocent open.

I'm an athiest, but I still say God probably doesn't exist, because I can't prove that it does't.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Josy

Well you have to worry about posting them on here.

worry about whom? the british courts? or the mods?

I don't have to worry about the british courts.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

My opinion is that it's nasty Kizzy and I'm entitled to say that, seen you have digs at his drinking the past few days and I think it's a cheap shot tbh.

He drank the can in the morning (1) btw because BB had taken all the food, teabags and everything else away.

Well have your opinion josy doesn't change the facts, as an ex alcoholic myself if I run out of teabags I have water not beer....

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well have your opinion josy doesn't change the facts, as an ex alcoholic myself if I run out of teabags I have water not beer....

Great.

You aren't in BB though and we aren't discussing you, I still think constantly commenting about his previous drink problems is nasty.

[Kizzy]

And I think your blinkered but who cares?
An ex alcoholic who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic. IMO

[lostalex]

I'm confused now, i Haven't seen Jim get sloppy drunk...

I don't think alcohol has anything to do with Jim being an asshole.

[MTVN]

Jim had already gone to bed for the night and got up purely because of the noise so as to seek some quiet in the living room, why would he then decide to sneak a drink of wine? And how is he supposed to be feeding this alcohol addiction with the limited supplies they have in there and under the noses of the cameras and the other housemates in there, most of whom have been a lot more clearly under the influence of alcohol than Jim has?

Saying he was feeding his alcoholism with what he was drinking from that mug is just a completely unfounded allegation

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by lostalex

"probably" just means my opinion is leaning towards he did it. But I'm leaving the possibility of him being innocent open.

Hmmm, well we are meant to be judging HM's on what they say and do in the house, not assume things or judge them on "accusations" that has been thrown at them in the past.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Hmmm, well we are meant to be judging HM's on what they say and do in the house, not assume things or judge them on "accusations" that has been thrown at them in the past.

meant by who? I didn't know there were rules about how you may watch a TV show, or how you may respond and react to it...

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well it's hard to have evidence for that, especially 20 years later...that's why i used the word "probably". Only he and his maybe victims will ever know for sure. the rest of us can only speculate.

Lostalec -I have lost count of the number of times I have been sexually assaulted by men in my life, particularly having my legs and boobs groped, and it started when I was about 14, with people who were friends of the family. As an adult I got my boobs groped by a kid of about 10 years old in the street, a medical consultant during a hospital appointment, a solicitor who was a friend of my husband, loads off blokes I was out on a date with, after I'd told them to keep their hands off my boobs... and more. Some were just being cheeky, most stone cold sober, lots just didn't know that "No" means "no", (and that is anyway a muddy area..) The thing is that it happens, and it still happens today, and loads and loads of men are doing it. Clearly in some cases it is inappropriate and unacceptable, such as the consultant who did it to me.. but in other cases, such as in dating situations, it's a difficult issue and there are probably loads of men who are guilty of some kind of sexual misconduct if you choose to view things in a particular way. I'm not condoning it, but if I went to the police and filed a complaint against all the blokes who've grabbed my private parts with no encouragement from me, I'd never be out of court. We don't know what these allegations were, and they've been dropped, so it's not fair to speculate really.

[Videostar]

Can I ask the Jim haters one thing, if you were in that house and very tired and wanted to get some sleep in the bedroom (you know, the place where folks are meant to sleep) wouldn't you have any right at all to be rather put out that people (who you know are trying to goad you into a reaction) are making rather childish and pathetic noises in order to keep you awake.?

I know im going to get the rather dated and silly reply that "he shouldn't have gone into the house then" but please try to be honest.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Lostalec -I have lost count of the number of times I have been sexually assaulted by men in my life, particularly having my legs and boobs groped, and it started when I was about 14, with people who were friends of the family. As an adult I got my boobs groped by a kid of about 10 years old in the street, a medical consultant during a hospital appointment, a solicitor who was a friend of my husband, loads off blokes I was out on a date with, after I'd told them to keep their hands off my boobs... and more. Some were just being cheeky, most stone cold sober, lots just didn't know that "No" means "no", (and that is anyway a muddy area..) The thing is that it happens, and it still happens today, and loads and loads of men are doing it. Clearly in some cases it is inappropriate and unacceptable, such as the consultant who did it to me.. but in other cases, such as in dating situations, it's a difficult issue and there are probably loads of men who are guilty of some kind of sexual misconduct if you choose to view things in a particular way. I'm not condoning it, but if I went to the police and filed a complaint against all the blokes who've grabbed my private parts with no encouragement from me, I'd never be out of court. We don't know what these allegations were, and they've been dropped, so it's not fair to speculate really.

It sounds like you've surrendered to sexual abuse. not all women have surrendered to it. I'm sorry for your abuse.

But you are actually supporting my point, because you said none of the men that molested you have been convicted in a court, therefore, sexual assault victimizers are walking free but they are considered "innocent".

[jet]

Let's face it, Jim is an old miserable git. Has he watched BB previously? The bedroom has never, in any series of BB been a haven of peace when the HM's have had a drink and are letting their hair down. The HM's are in a pressure cooker environment and letting it rip now and then is going to happen, and Jim Davidson and his needs aren't paramount and neither should they be.
Even when music was played into the house last week - not the bedroom - he went 'FGS!' and grumped off into the garden to sit looking like he was sucking a lemon.
There are YOUNG people in the house, and young people aren't going to curb their energy and high jinks in a one - off experience of a lifetime to suit one person. My goodness, Lionel, Linda and Liz not only accepted that, but joined in. Did we ever hear them complaining?
Jim can sleep to his hearts content when he leaves the house - for God's sake man make the most of something that you willingly went into, are getting paid for and should be enjoying to the full.
I personally think that his problem tonight was that the HM's were singing the Lionel song they made up over and over and that really got to him. One frame went to him lying in bed and it looked like he was giving the finger.
Then he got up and went into the lounge as usual to draw attention to himself as poor Jim not able to sleep. Why not just stay in bed and count sheep? Then to cap it all he ends the saga by lying down on the bedroom floor by the door. What on earth? If that wasn't attention seeking, what was that about? Grow up!

I've never seen a year on the forum where people complained about the HM's having fun because one person wasn't up for it OR one where the fun in the bedroom was blasted before lights out. The prissy party pooper attitude this year because of one HM is quite bizarre.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Jim had already gone to bed for the night and got up purely because of the noise so as to seek some quiet in the living room, why would he then decide to sneak a drink of wine? And how is he supposed to be feeding this alcohol addiction with the limited supplies they have in there and under the noses of the cameras and the other housemates in there, most of whom have been a lot more clearly under the influence of alcohol than Jim has?

Saying he was feeding his alcoholism with what he was drinking from that mug is just a completely unfounded allegation

So sue me!...
That's what I think, you're not contracted to agree with me.

[MTVN]

See you in court kizzy

[Josy]

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by jet

Let's face it, Jim is an old miserable git. Has he watched BB previously? The bedroom has never, in any series of BB been a haven of peace when the HM's have had a drink and are letting their hair down.

But that doesn't mean it's been right, I've always said HM's who want to stay up and have a laugh have about 5 other rooms they can go into, why does it have to be the B/room?

[Josy]

Jet there's threads every series about housemates not getting to sleep/noise in the bedroom at night.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Bitter, maudlin alcoholic.
Sick of seeing him shuffling around the house like an extra from thriller.

You and me both.