[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Farage is a one trick pony... where are his policies on anything other than immigration? Does anyone know or care?
Yes tories are making a leap like rats from a sinking ship to them in droves but as far as I see it UKIP are a rudderless raft.

Yes but he is changing fast
and he connects with Labour Voters



Thats a Good Thing

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but he is changing fast
and he connects with Labour Voters



Thats a Good Thing

No I don't think so, old conservative voters are now voting UKIP and all those who were mugged off by lib dem have gone back to labour.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No I don't think so, old conservative voters are now voting UKIP and all those who were mugged off by lib dem have gone back to labour.

Typical of you to not have the Facts.



We know about Conservative going UKIP


But this time UP NORTH
in Labour only areas
UKIP got 8 on the council.



FACT

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No I don't think so, old conservative voters are now voting UKIP and all those who were mugged off by lib dem have gone back to labour.

I don't think that's true, Farage has conned a lot of the working class electorate into believing his anti-establishment, 'we're sticking up for the working man' nonsense and it's working. This all despite the fact he's a privately educated ex-businessman and his parties policies are anything but favourable for the working class. It's scary

One of my friends parents is a socialist and a Green/Labour voter, hates the Tories but voted UKIP on Thursday as part of this 'protest'. It's awful

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't think that's true, Farage has conned a lot of the working class electorate into believing his anti-establishment, 'we're sticking up for the working man' nonsense and it's working. This all despite the fact he's a privately educated ex-businessman and his parties policies are anything but favourable for the working class. It's scary

One of my friends parents is a socialist and a Green/Labour voter, hates the Tories but voted UKIP on Thursday as part of this 'protest'. It's awful

Yes Jack
more Wise than Kizzy

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but he is changing fast
and he connects with Labour Voters



Thats a Good Thing

There's a lot of denial about who's voting for UKIP. The important thing for them is that they're connecting with people who actually get out and vote. The turnout for the Euro election was what, 35%? So that's around 65% of people really don't think it affects them, or they just can't be bothered. He's engaging people who vote from a variety of parties, mainly Conservative... but not exclusively.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

There's a lot of denial about who's voting for UKIP. The important thing for them is that they're connecting with people who actually get out and vote. The turnout for the Euro election was what, 35%? So that's around 65% of people really don't think it affects them, or they just can't be bothered. He's engaging people who vote from a variety of parties, mainly Conservative... but not exclusively.

It is really odd Livia, today I was talking to some former student friends who were Lib Dems but voted UKIP last week.
They said they did so because it seemed everyone else was likely to.
These friends want to be in the EU,would not vote in a EU referendum and have no ideas as to UKIP's other policies.

I just don't get it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is really odd Livia, today I was talking to some former student friends who were Lib Dems but voted UKIP last week.
They said they did so because it seemed everyone else was likely to.
These friends want to be in the EU,would not vote in a EU referendum and have no ideas as to UKIP's other policies.

I just don't get it.

Nobody does, and what's more I would say if they did they definitely wouldn't consider voting for them.
It was prob down to this daft idea of a protest vote that he did anyway, as someone said the other day a decent protest vote would be for the greens... but UKIP?!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but he is changing fast
and he connects with Labour Voters



Thats a Good Thing

I really don't see UKIP as a good thing in any sense as to politics.
Their social policies that we know of are unacceptable to me, their gradually unearthing views as to healthcare and the NHS are extremely worrying.

The only thing I do hope is that Labour pressure Ed Miliband to agree to a referendum. That is the only way that the EU can be debated but not so prominantly in the 2015 election.

Ed Miliband should if he wins in 2015,just as any PM who takes that office should, also negotiate for reform and a better 'deal' for the UK from the EU.
That should be the norm for any PM in govt.

Unless that heat as to the EU is removed from the 2015 campaign then all there is going to be are endless tearing apart of David Cameron's and Ed Miliband's policy as to re-negotiation and reform of the EU,with UKIP letting them get on with it and wringing their hands with glee in the background.

In the event of UKIP winning seats of any quantity,(in the midst of Lib Dems woes), and having any holding of the balance of power,then deals will have to be done and demands met.
The thought of the Conservatives or anyone else allowing any implementation of UKIP's social policies is near unthinkable.
God forbid that ever comes to fruition.

[joeysteele]

I accept is a really strong showing for UKIP to top the results in these elections.
However,take into account the massive publicity UKIP had for weeks before them plus the releasing of the increased immigration figures on polling day too.

Factors which are not likely to be there in 2015.
Finally, there is in fact only just over 3.5% difference between UKIP in first place and the Conservatives in 3rd.
A small bit of movement of around just 2% and anyone of them could have topped this poll.

[arista]

Yes Clegg you Fecking Eyes have water in them
but talk Less - your like a robot.



Sign Of The Times

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Clegg you Fecking Eyes have water in them
but talk Less - your like a robot.



Sign Of The Times

Looks like a bit of redeye from a few hits on some westminster 'omegrown.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Looks like a bit of redeye from a few hits on some westminster 'omegrown.

Watch it on news
Its Water



He says nothing new


Boring Git he is

Originally Posted by arista

Watch it on news
Its Water



He says nothing new


Boring Git he is

Bong water from da 'erb?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Bong water from da 'erb?

water from a cry
before the Interview start

[arista]

Kizzy Labour Voters have been Live on Radio and TV News
saying they voted UKIP.

Labour are not liked or trusted


No More Wise cracks

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Kizzy Labour Voters have been Live on Radio and TV News
saying they voted UKIP.

Labour are not liked or trusted


No More Wise cracks

They got plenty of votes considering thy aren't wise guy

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

Kizzy Labour Voters have been Live on Radio and TV News
*saying they voted UKIP.

Labour are not liked or trusted


No More Wise cracks

so where did you party come that right no where utter fact

[arista]

Yes 8 Joey
still a shock for Labour


Made My Day.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes 8 Joey
still a shock for Labour


Made My Day.

Rather selective arista, they took 8 seats off labour's 58, they also took half of the Conservatives 4 seats leaving them with only 2.
Labour on Rotherham council now have 50 seats, all the other parties put together, UKIP, Conservatives and the one Independent number 13 only.

Leaving Labour with a still thumping 37 overall majority control.
What then really changed with all respect apart form a fairly good showing in a solid and safe council for Labour that took UKIP nowhere really.

[Kizzy]

comin over ere... tekkin ar wimmim tekkin ar jobs.....

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

comin over ere... tekkin ar wimmim tekkin ar jobs.....

Thar wot love? Ya got summert ta say to me say it to ma face.

[arista]

Yes many Labour Vote UKIP
because they do want want Ed

[Nedusa]

Just caught up reading the posts on this thread, some good comments by Joeysteele who talks more sense than a lot of Politicians.

I think UKIP are the protest vote party for a variety of reasons not just a knee jerk reaction to percieved mass immigration.

More a general protest vote by voters of all main parties who are fed up with their party's leaders performance ie Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband and their Party's performance since the last election.

I still think the abscence of any referendum on Britains future in Europe is still the major factor for UKIP's success and I think given similar voting sentiments in other European Country's the leaders of the Govt's in these main European Countries may seek to open a debate on the future of the European Project.

Failure now to address this issue could cause some of these major political parties to lose huge numbers of votes to right and far right parties across Europe.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Just caught up reading the posts on this thread, some good comments by Joeysteele who talks more sense than a lot of Politicians.

I think UKIP are the protest vote party for a variety of reasons not just a knee jerk reaction to percieved mass immigration.

More a general protest vote by voters of all main parties who are fed up with their party's leaders performance ie Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband and their Party's performance since the last election.

I still think the abscence of any referendum on Britains future in Europe is still the major factor for UKIP's success and I think given similar voting sentiments in other European Country's the leaders of the Govt's in these main European Countries may seek to open a debate on the future of the European Project.

Failure now to address this issue could cause some of these major political parties to lose huge numbers of votes to right and far right parties across Europe.

Thank you very much Nedusa for your comment at the start of your post.

You raise an important point as to a referendum.
I myself didn't want a referendum on the UK as to the EU and if there were one, I would vote to stay in all the way.

I do however now think you are 100% right, I agree the absence of a referendum is likely in the main, the reason for UKIP's success.
I am now persuaded that there should be one with no excuses for not having one either once in Govt.

I believe the problem with the Conservative promise of a referendum is that voters do not believe David Cameron will deliver one. He is not trusted to deliver it.
He was only provisionally afforded support and trust,being the leader of the largest party, in 2010 by the voters and it saw them leaving him well short of absolute control. I believe he will not get absolute control again in 2015 as he is a leader also not now trusted as to his word.

Which is why I have said, and now would like to see, Ed Miliband help lance this boil too by saying he would too support a referendum and also hold one if he won power in 2015.
If they are serious about giving the voters what they want and are really listening, then that for me is the only way forward and the only way to deal effectively with the EU issue.
You have it spot on Nedusa I would say now, there needs to be a referendum on the issue.

I personally would hope that the UK would vote to stay in.
Whatever the result however of it, thenwhat it does is it removes at a stroke the status and need for UKIP in the main.
If the vote was to come out then UKIP's work is done.
If the vote is to stay in then UKIP have been soundly defeated by the voters.

With both David Cameron and Ed Miliband, if it comes about, agreeing to hold a referendum whoever wins, then maybe, just maybe we can have an election campaign in 2015 on the issues that really matter most.
The economy, welfare, employment,Education and my own main issue the NHS and even immigration.
Instead of having a campaign dominated by the EU that will come across as childishly pathetic, dividing the country and opening up even more doors for parties like UKIP to walk through.

As for Nick Clegg, the Lib Dems just will not get the message that the voters are angry with him and them for the things they have given support to, not because they joined a coalition with the Conservatives.

It is the betrayal of trust from Nick Clegg and co. against the voters who voted Lib Dem that is behind their unpopularity.
That is the reason I hope Nick Clegg stays as leader, he definitely should again face the voters in 2015 and let them give him and his party their verdict on them.
He has made them wait the full 5 years to be able to do so,while having his own new nice little status promotion of the title of Deputy PM.