[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

To appease your curiosity i'll enlighten you, i am a fan of Helen i have indeed been bullied, quite severely i may add, but i am a fan of Helen because i dont see those 'bullying' characteristics in her, quite the opposite, i see them quite heavily in Ashleigh instead, she reminds me of the type of people who regularly made my life hell, it works both ways, people may have been bullied by people like Helen in the past, but just as many people have been bullied by people like Ashleigh

I don't believe Ashleigh is a bully, but I could understand that her sort of slyness is quite characteristic of some bullies. Bullying isn't always shouting and screaming and overt namecalling. I can't quite make my mind up, but I kinda got the impression that she was being sly when she had her head on Ash's shoulder. Still undecided though.

At the same time, her slyness and manipulation to have Ash nominated in girl power week is only part of the game. I don't think Helen would have been kicking off if it had been boy power week and she found out Ash had been plotting to get Ashleigh nominated, for example. She was just hurt that Ashleigh had undercut her and kind of embarrassed her.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I don't believe Ashleigh is a bully, but I could understand that her sort of slyness is quite characteristic of some bullies. Bullying isn't always shouting and screaming and overt namecalling. I can't quite make my mind up, but I kinda got the impression that she was being sly when she had her head on Ash's shoulder. Still undecided though.

At the same time, her slyness and manipulation to have Ash nominated in girl power week is only part of the game. I don't think Helen would have been kicking off if it had been boy power week and she found out Ash had been plotting to get Ashleigh nominated, for example. She was just hurt that Ashleigh had undercut her and kind of embarrassed her.

When she wanted Ash evicted, Helen and Ash were being twats. There was a reason she wanted them evicted. She didn't just wake up one day and randomly decide she wanted to get rid of Ash. It was Ashleigh trying to get rid of the nasty gang.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Achilles

When she wanted Ash evicted, Helen and Ash were being twats. There was a reason she wanted them evicted. She didn't just wake up one day and randomly decide she wanted to get rid of Ash. It was Ashleigh trying to get rid of the nasty gang.

She wanted to get rid of Ash to hurt Helen,that's nasty in my book

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Achilles

When she wanted Ash evicted, Helen and Ash were being twats. There was a reason she wanted them evicted. She didn't just wake up one day and randomly decide she wanted to get rid of Ash. It was Ashleigh trying to get rid of the nasty gang.

I kind of agree, they had been pretty dickish to her. She wanted to show Helen she can't bang about the house acting like the boss all the time. I don't even think it was all that personal to Ash, more personal to Helen (though she didn't like Ash either obviously)

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I don't believe Ashleigh is a bully, but I could understand that her sort of slyness is quite characteristic of some bullies. Bullying isn't always shouting and screaming and overt namecalling. I can't quite make my mind up, but I kinda got the impression that she was being sly when she had her head on Ash's shoulder. Still undecided though.

At the same time, her slyness and manipulation to have Ash nominated in girl power week is only part of the game. I don't think Helen would have been kicking off if it had been boy power week and she found out Ash had been plotting to get Ashleigh nominated, for example. She was just hurt that Ashleigh had undercut her and kind of embarrassed her.

I didn't say Ashleigh was a bully, i said people like her are bullies, sly, vindictive and two faced people are the worst kinds of people i'd ever want to be faced with in a situation like Big Brother.
The point i was trying to make is that no matter how many people say that Helen has 'stereotypical bullying traits' the same could be said for Ashleigh in equal amount.
I know a lot of people who's worst years of their lives were given to them at the hands of people like Ashleigh, girls and boys, yes, some also got treated badly by people like Helen, but i personally feel people with the traits that i see in Ashleigh on a daily basis while watching this show, are worse - People can disagree with me if they please, but i will always stand by that opinion I'm afraid

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I didn't say Ashleigh was a bully, i said people like her are bullies, sly, vindictive and two faced people are the worst kinds of people i'd ever want to be faced with in a situation like Big Brother.
The point i was trying to make is that no matter how many people say that Helen has 'stereotypical bullying traits' the same could be said for Ashleigh in equal amount.
I know a lot of people who's worst years of their lives were given to them at the hands of people like Ashleigh, girls and boys, yes, some also got treated badly by people like Helen, but i personally feel people with the traits that i see in Ashleigh on a daily basis while watching this show, are worse - People can disagree with me if they please, but i will always stand by that opinion I'm afraid

Yes you see them ten a penny in the corner of the playground,with a couple of other bitches with them,sneering and whispering,I know exactly what you mean Liam.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I didn't say Ashleigh was a bully, i said people like her are bullies, sly, vindictive and two faced people are the worst kinds of people i'd ever want to be faced with in a situation like Big Brother.
The point i was trying to make is that no matter how many people say that Helen has 'stereotypical bullying traits' the same could be said for Ashleigh in equal amount.
I know a lot of people who's worst years of their lives were given to them at the hands of people like Ashleigh, girls and boys, yes, some also got treated badly by people like Helen, but i personally feel people with the traits that i see in Ashleigh on a daily basis while watching this show, are worse - People can disagree with me if they please, but i will always stand by that opinion I'm afraid

I didn't sayyyyy you thought she was a bully, I was just agreeing I don't think she is one either! And my post said a lot of what you said here, so looks like we agree

[bots]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

To appease your curiosity i'll enlighten you, i am a fan of Helen i have indeed been bullied, quite severely i may add, but i am a fan of Helen because i dont see those 'bullying' characteristics in her, quite the opposite, i see them quite heavily in Ashleigh instead, she reminds me of the type of people who regularly made my life hell, it works both ways, people may have been bullied by people like Helen in the past, but just as many people have been bullied by people like Ashleigh

This is my view too, and i said it in a thread earlier today, and it was treated with scorn. I believe Helen has been the victim of bullying more than any other hm this year.

For those that missed it .... http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=261433

[mrflibble]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

To appease your curiosity i'll enlighten you, i am a fan of Helen i have indeed been bullied, quite severely i may add, but i am a fan of Helen because i dont see those 'bullying' characteristics in her, quite the opposite, i see them quite heavily in Ashleigh instead, she reminds me of the type of people who regularly made my life hell, it works both ways, people may have been bullied by people like Helen in the past, but just as many people have been bullied by people like Ashleigh

Fair enough. I don't see those traits in Ashleigh at all and I do feel that Ashleigh's actions are her responding to the bullying from Helen and trying to take down the bully, but it's interesting to hear another perspective.

[Withano]

Didn't you know, controversy is super entertaining. Being a nice, well mannered human means **** all when an aggressive **** is filling airtime with arguments.

Big Brother fans are the main reason why Big Brother is failing.

[ruiphillips]

The people who stan for Helen used to stan for Toya.

That's all....

[CaudleHalbard]

Who's Stan?

[Forgetmenot]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Youtube video

A nasty horrible person who has received multiple warnings for bullying and aggressive behaviour.

The reason why has been said on here over and over and over! Helen is REAL Helenis honest..people like that.she is not perfect, none of them are, but what you see is what you get. She is painfully sensitive and very kind hearted.say no more

[abhorson]

The great thing is though, that most don't want the bully to win.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Tbf Big Brother has been the bully this year so why not?

Helen to win for me.

[bots]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Tbf Big Brother has been the bully this year so why not?

Helen to win for me.

I believe BB has been the biggest bully of them all

[abhorson]

Helens treatment of Jale was classic bully. No way around it i am afraid.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by abhorson

Helens treatment of Jale was classic bully. No way around it i am afraid.

If a person was 'bullied' they wouldnt be able to make friends with the person who 'bullied' them, no matter how hard they tried

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

If a person was 'bullied' they wouldnt be able to make friends with the person who 'bullied' them, no matter how hard they tried

You claim you were bullied and support Helen, a bully, so why not?

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by Achilles

You claim you were bullied and support Helen, a bully, so why not?

He hasn't been bullied by Helen, (nor has anyone else!) and isn't friends with her??

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Achilles

You claim you were bullied and support Helen, a bully, so why not?

I don't 'claim' anything, i acknowledge that i was bullied and yes i do support Helen, because as i've said, i see Ashleigh as a bully, not Helen

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I don't 'claim' anything, i acknowledge that i was bullied and yes i do support Helen, because as i've said, i see Ashleigh as a bully, not Helen

The reason I don't believe a word you say is not because you say Helen is not a bully but because you say Helen is not a bully, Ashleigh is a bully.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

If a person was 'bullied' they wouldnt be able to make friends with the person who 'bullied' them, no matter how hard they tried

I knew kids at school who were bullied and then tried to fit in with that group. It happens sometimes.

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by abhorson

Helens treatment of Jale was classic bully. No way around it i am afraid.

Interestingly Jale doesn't seem to agree... She was asked directly by an audience member on BOTS if she thought Helen was a bully and she said NO! funny that

[Robodog]

Helen shouts - but that alone doesn't make her a bully. Her name calling of Jale was horrible. But Jale never thought of Helen as a bully. She seems to like her, in fact.

The closest i've seen to bullying in that house was Ashleigh and her 'evil plan'. She deliberately excluded Helen from the group of girls, manipulated them all into nominating Ash - just to hurt Helen.

Exclusion of one person, manipulating a group against them for the sole purpose of hurting that person - that's much more like bullying to me.