[bots]

We are in a democracy. Everyone abides by what the majority decide, but they don't have to agree with it to abide by it.

I honestly think it's an age thing to a large extent. When you are young, you tend to surround yourselves with like minded people. As you get older, you find you have to fit in to the big wide world and become more tolerant of the views and opinions of others, because you have to, if you are not going to end up locked up.

[odd sock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Shouldnt this be deleted seeing as i recieved an infraction for it?

Like you I received an infraction for a very innocuous comment in reply to the same OP on this thread, asked mods for an explanation but no reply.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by ethanjames

look however you say it or phrase it ann is homophobic and voted against lgbt right. if she wasn't homophobic she wouldn't vote against it and someone who is a gay person (or someone who cares about people) being against civil rights is bullcrap and more than an opinion. shane j is right. simple as

She explained why she voted against it,and it wasn't because she dislikes gay people,do people ever listen.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She explained why she voted against it,and it wasn't because she dislikes gay people,do people ever listen.

Bigots won't listen to anyone Kaz.

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[Vicky.]

I cannot imagine disowning family for their political views.

Or only having friends who share my political beliefs. Or share the same opinions. So many of my friends are polar opposite on so many topics, but we all seem to get along pretty fine, arguments about views occasionally aside.

A fair few of my friends vote Tory, and actively agree with the Tories stance on cutting away from the disabled constantly. I am disabled myself. This causes some arguments from time to time if they dare bring up the 'loads of fakers' or some such rubbish in my presence but as adults, we are able to set aside our differences and get along despite disagreeing strongly. I am positive that if I had a friend who was an MP who voted for the draconian disability cuts I could still get on with them despite their abhorrent (IMO) views on that topic and how people with their views are directly affecting me right now. I could also, as a woman, be friends with someone who voted against womens rights. I suspect Amanda and Wayne are people quite like me. Who can ignore stuff like that. I get that some people are different and surround themselves solely with totally likeminded people and outcast anyone else...but many are not.

[Paula D]

Well said Vicky. A lot of people I no will vote against allowing abortion in Ireland in the upcoming referendum and that is completely their business.

I wouldn't try to FORCE my views on them and as long as they don't try to FORCE their views on me we'll remain friends for a long time.

It's like Amanda said "Live and let live". Stop making labels.

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[Paula D]

I actually think it's a life skill one only gets in life as you get older.

You realise there will be very few people left around you if you only keep the ones who agree with you on everything.

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[y.winter]

Amanda is killing Ann softly, and that's a better service to the community than a guy wearing heavy makeup and a wig, exposing himself in public the moment he set foot in Elstree (which to be honest is what's going to be remembered from him after it's all said and done) and calling it the essence of LGBT.

Amanda "the lesbian" is slowly creeping into Ann's heart, and that's a wiser way of doing it AFAIC. She's personifying that big title that is called "gay", while Shane's putting most of his effort in pushing it further into clown zone, being "the odd".

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by y.winter

Amanda is killing Ann softly, and that's a better service to the community than a guy wearing heavy makeup and a wig, exposing himself in public the moment he set foot in Elstree (which to be honest is what's going to be remembered from him after it's all said and done) and calling it the sense of LGBT.

Amanda "the lesbian" is slowly creeping into Ann's heart, and that's a wiser way of doing it AFAIC. She's personifying that big title that is called "gay", while Shane's putting most of his effort in pushing it further into clown zone, being "the odd".

Very well said.

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[susie q]

As Wayne and Amanda pointed out Anns views, (plus others she really wasnt the only MP to vote against gay marriage) didnt prevent change, they were both still able to get married and move on with their lives. If they can both move on why cant Shane J and his supporters. Anyway I shall continue to vote the way I always do for CBB, I will judge the housemates on their behaviour whilst in the house, not for what they have done outside the house. Personally I dont like Shane J because of his bitchiness, which has now been directed at Jess as well as Ann. His bromance with Andrew, which made him look like a lap dog. Oh and his taking his clothes every 5 minutes is boring, and unoriginal. In fact he really is just a bog standard housemate, who happens to be gay.
Not at all interesting.

[Natawho]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

That’s is nothing like a dictorership. Literally nothing.

It’s just people saying I don’t want to associate myself with people with very strongly different views than myself.

I really wish you were born straight I don't want you pretending to speak for a community that you damage by being such an insolent brat

[Natawho]

Originally Posted by y.winter

Amanda is killing Ann softly, and that's a better service to the community than a guy wearing heavy makeup and a wig, exposing himself in public the moment he set foot in Elstree (which to be honest is what's going to be remembered from him after it's all said and done) and calling it the essence of LGBT.

Amanda "the lesbian" is slowly creeping into Ann's heart, and that's a wiser way of doing it AFAIC. She's personifying that big title that is called "gay", while Shane's putting most of his effort in pushing it further into clown zone, being "the odd".

Love this, so true. Amanda is a true LGBT role model, because people love her for being Amanda, her sexuality hasn't been brought up once because it's an insignificant part of her identity as a human being. She's just a pure human being.

[Natawho]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

We are in a democracy. Everyone abides by what the majority decide, but they don't have to agree with it to abide by it.

I honestly think it's an age thing to a large extent. When you are young, you tend to surround yourselves with like minded people. As you get older, you find you have to fit in to the big wide world and become more tolerant of the views and opinions of others, because you have to, if you are not going to end up locked up.

It's hilarious how people are against dictatorships until it's their opinion that they want to be universal

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

They are BEST representation ,they don't expect to be put on this pathetic whining, self absorbed pedestal that others do

Wanting to be treated like everyone is a "pedestal" now is it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There is no bloody community ffs

Its a fecking saying

Yes, and he's using the saying.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Wanting to be treated like everyone is a "pedestal" now is it.

Amanda & Wayne take Ann as she is , they don't force Ann to have the same opinions and views as them . They don't argue endlessly for acceptance. Because Ann has already accepted them for who they are.

Shane J respected Ann and even defended her against Andrew calling her the c word and a bitch yet he then started going on a bitch session himself about Ann, so explain why he was ok with Ann one minute then as soon as Andrew get's evicted he starts a hate campaign?? .

And now he's back to clearing the air again with Ann,Shane J is like dr jekyll mr hyde and it's all a game plan .

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Amanda & Wayne take Ann as she is , they don't force Ann to have the same opinions and views as them .

Are you still spouting this rubbish.

No one's forcing or trying to force Ann to change her views at all.

Next time, actually read and listen to people's arguments and the context of them before resorting to rubbish, you might actually learn something.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Are you still spouting this rubbish.

No one's forcing or trying to force Ann to change her views at all.

Next time, actually read and listen to people's arguments and the context of them before resorting to rubbish, you might actually learn something.

Don't be so condescending !
I know exactly what people have been saying , and i've read the same repetitive things over and over again . Its boring .

What exactly do you want Amanda & Wayne to do with Ann??? .

[Tom4784]

This is what annoys me, you get a lot of people who only care about Freedom of Speech when it's a one way system. 'Oh, Ann is entitled to her views! Just don't have an opinion that contradicts her or we'll make out that she's being silenced or forced into having another opinion!'

It's a two way ****ing street, if Ann is entitled to her hatred, everyone is entitled to comment on it.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Why the bloody hell do they have to be representatives of the gay community? just because they are gay? This means you have to be representing gay issues constantly rather than just being yourself?!

Being gay is being yourself. Look it's nice for Anne and Amanda to be friends but at the end of the day Anne voted against her friend aka Amanda being able to marry someone she loves....isn't that pretty simple and very wrong?

Imo that's just wrong.

Anyone who disagrees with that needs their heads checked.

I heart that we can all co igsuist but Anne and many people out there's views are just ****ing bigoted and bordering on hate.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is what annoys me, you get a lot of people who only care about Freedom of Speech when it's a one way system. 'Oh, Ann is entitled to her views! Just don't have an opinion that contradicts her or we'll make out that she's being silenced or forced into having another opinion!'

It's a two way ****ing street, if Ann is entitled to her hatred, everyone is entitled to comment on it.

I actually agree with that to a certain degree but Ann doesn't approve of people of the same sex getting married and living they're lives together....probably because she's a catholic and has no life!

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is what annoys me, you get a lot of people who only care about Freedom of Speech when it's a one way system. 'Oh, Ann is entitled to her views! Just don't have an opinion that contradicts her or we'll make out that she's being silenced or forced into having another opinion!'

It's a two way ****ing street, if Ann is entitled to her hatred, everyone is entitled to comment on it.

Who does Ann hate?

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[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

We are in a democracy. Everyone abides by what the majority decide, but they don't have to agree with it to abide by it.

I honestly think it's an age thing to a large extent. When you are young, you tend to surround yourselves with like minded people. As you get older, you find you have to fit in to the big wide world and become more tolerant of the views and opinions of others, because you have to, if you are not going to end up locked up.

...hmmm I don’t think it’s that, bots...with the like minded and tolerance thing because older people can be very intolerant and fixed in their views as well...But I do agree that maybe age plays a part...I think when you get older, you more live for the moment as it were because you realise your mortality more, so there might not be many moments left for you to live for.....but when you’re younger, well obviously you’re going to live forever...well you know what I mean...so relating that to this, then in this moment of Wayne and Amanda’s lives, they’re able to enjoy their freedoms within sexuality, so they don’t feel inclined to ‘represent’ they just want to go about enjoying those present moments in their lives while they can and are able to, regardless of past things and regardless of any opposition Ann may have had etc..Shane’s perspective is different and as you say, he’s a much younger person...he does feel that representation is essential...why..?...well because despite legislation and laws etc having been passed, there is still in existence, huge intolerances and lack of acceptance of some sexualities, so it is indeed essential...so there is no right or wrong way of it all... but yes, he can only explain his way and his representation etc to them, he can’t force it on them as it be something they should be looking at as well...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

I actually agree with that to a certain degree but Ann doesn't approve of people of the same sex getting married and living they're lives together....probably because she's a catholic and has no life!

what a silly generalisation if you said that about a different religion you would get a label for sure, and your bordering on hate comment is ironic given the amount of hate and pure vitriol that is coming Ann's way

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

what a silly generalisation if you said that about a different religion you would get a label for sure, and your bordering on hate comment is ironic given the amount of hate and pure vitriol that is coming Ann's way

He's being hypocritical, he knows it's wrong to be homophobic yet he thinks it's ok to bash religion .