[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if you want to make a new thread about the Conservative governments record this term go ahead but the claim we are dealing with in this thread is that Public Services and by that statement it appears ALL are "on there knees"

perhaps you wish to try and evidence that in this thread?

You're not dealing with any claim, all you're doing is making silly posts like "aha the government has done so well everyone. Aww everybody's agreed they've done us proud " style baiting posts.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

LOL

OK, LT, you may have not heard but there's a funding crisis in the NHS, police numbers have been cut, police stations in London have been closed, benefits and services have been cut, local authorities have seen their governments grants cut, there's been reduction in armed services numbers and funding

google is your friend if you want to find out more

btw, how was the holiday on Mars?

cutting benefits and streamlining services happens in every parliament. Im looking foir the services "on their knees"?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Courts
Electricity
Education, [e.g. state (public) schools, public universities, etc...]
Emergency services, (e.g. Fire, EMS, Law Enforcement, Search and Rescue, etc...)
Environmental protection
Health care
Military
Postal service
Public bank
Public broadcasting
Public library
Public security
Public transportation
Social services, (e.g. public housing, social welfare, food subsidies, etc...)
Telecommunications
Urban planning
Transportation infrastructure
Waste management, (e.g. wastewater, solid waste, recycling, etc...)
Water supply network

[Crimson Dynamo]

which of the above is "on its knees"?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

Where's all the facts supporting your own opinions? Or is it just me who has to provide evidence?

And again.... what did we do here before you wafted in in January to show us all where we've been going wrong? Or maybe you're not new at all, who knows...

the shade of it all!

1/resenting new members
2/suggesting I'm a banned member or a multi

any more insults and innuendos? should I report you now or wait a bit longer?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

which of the above is "on its knees"?

start with nhs

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well good luck as Public Services is quite a big area and "on their knees" would suggest are broken and not working ie not providing that service - like say a bin strike?

"On their knees" suggests they're still operating and trying with all their might to provide the service they were designed for. All the while not having the money or resources they need to provide that service effectively. So if it can't function properly it's not working.

Meanwhile, in London those people apparently in charge are keeping their second homes, three holidays a year and big bumper bonuses. But... we're all in it together...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

the shade of it all!

1/resenting new members
2/suggesting I'm a banned member or a multi

any more insults and innuendos? should I report you now or wait a bit longer?

No, go ahead and report me now.

Since the first time you posted, you've talked to me like we've talked before.

And incidentally.... you body-swerved my first paragraph. Funny that.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Would you like to try your hand at a post relevant to what I actually said?

You claimed there was no suffering. Or no more than usual.

Anyone with eyes and ears knows that's bull.

That was your interpretation of what I said anyway.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

what, spend time proving white is white and black is black? Daily media coverage over the last years have been doing that. Not my fault if you haven't been paying attention.

'Daily Media Coverage' - as you WILL discover when you have been on here a while longer - means absolutely ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING to certain members if it does not support and corroborate their viewpoints.

Such 'Daily Media Coverage', when quoted on here, elicits inane derision such as; "Pah.... It's the Daily Mail, Sun, Star, etc" and the content is irrationally dismissed - even though that same content has been reported in numerous other newspapers and by the BBC or ITV news etc.

And it is not just 'Daily Media Coverage' either which is so conveniently decried because DIRECT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is too and the poster is virtually made out to be a liar - if that direct personal experience also does not coincide with those same members viewpoints.

Opinions are opinions, preferences are preferences, but FACTS are FACTS.

Or should be.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That was your interpretation of what I said anyway.

It wasn't an interpretation, it was what you typed. It's right there.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

'Daily Media Coverage' - as you WILL discover when you have been on here a while longer - means absolutely ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING to certain members if it does not support and corroborate their viewpoints.

Such 'Daily Media Coverage', when quoted on here, elicits inane derision such as; "Pah.... It's the Daily Mail, Sun, Star, etc" and the content is irrationally dismissed - even though that same content has been reported in numerous other newspapers and by the BBC or ITV news etc.

And it is not just 'Daily Media Coverage' either which is so conveniently decried because DIRECT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is too and the poster is virtually made out to be a liar - if that direct personal experience also does not coincide with those same members viewpoints.

Opinions are opinions, preferences are preferences, but FACTS are FACTS.

Or should be.

ok, so how about professional associations in nhs and police calling on government to stop cutting because it affects functioning of their services?
how about association of local councils warning of dangers to services due to cuts?

edit: and btw, welcome, I understand you are a returning and popular member.
it seems a bit funny for a newbie like me welcoming you, an old-timer

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well that didn't take long did it?

I didn't stand for the tag teaming and the baiting last year and I'm not about to start now.

There were accusations I had run you off the forum, but not from me.

As I said I'm glad you are back but I won't tolerate any of these mocking posts.

No, it didn't take you long Kizzy - did it.

No one's 'Baiting' you and no one is 'Tag-Teaming' you.

You really need to lighten up Kizzy.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, go ahead and report me now.

Since the first time you posted, you've talked to me like we've talked before.

And incidentally.... you body-swerved my first paragraph. Funny that.

I'd rather not report you, Livia. I don't like reporting and I'd rather your posts attacking me stayed here because I find the paranoia in them amusing.

I talk to you as I talk to everybody. We even agree in some threads, I hope you've noticed.

I swerved your paragraph because I'd already started listing areas that are underfunded in response to LT. So now it's your turn to show how everything is just fine.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

ok, so how about professional associations in nhs and police calling on government to stop cutting because it affects functioning of their services?
how about association of local councils warning of dangers to services due to cuts?

edit: and btw, welcome, I understand you are a returning and popular member.
it seems a bit funny for a newbie like me welcoming you, an old-timer

I am not disputing any of the above. I can find lots of faults with this Government - as I can EVERY other Government of the past 50 years or so - what I was referring to was your apparent faith that 'Daily Media Coverage' was some kind of 'irrefutable' evidence which can be used on here to help win an argument/debate/ prove a point.

It OUGHT to be, but on TIBB, that depends upon the argument and those whom you are arguing against.

Thank you for the 'Welcome Back', which I appreciate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

start with nhs

OK my mother just had a short stay in a modern well equipped hospital and was well looked after.

She has been in a few times of late and its been the same. You can get a Starbucks in there and an M And S sandwich

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

OK my mother just had a short stay in a modern well equipped hospital and was well looked after.

She has been in a few times of late and its been the same. You can get a Starbucks in there and an M And S sandwich

I'm glad for your Mum, I hope she's ok now.

Hers is not a universal experience though.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I am not disputing any of the above. I can find lots of faults with this Government - as I can EVERY other Government of the past 50 years or so - what I was referring to was your apparent faith that 'Daily Media Coverage' was some kind of 'irrefutable' evidence which can be used on here to help win an argument/debate/ prove a point.

It OUGHT to be, but on TIBB, that depends upon the argument and those whom you are arguing against.

Thank you for the 'Welcome Back', which I appreciate.

Thank you, I take your point.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I'd rather not report you, Livia. I don't like reporting and I'd rather your posts attacking me stayed here because I find the paranoia in them amusing.

I talk to you as I talk to everybody. We even agree in some threads, I hope you've noticed.

I swerved your paragraph because I'd already started listing areas that are underfunded in response to LT. So now it's your turn to show how everything is just fine.

Paranoia. That's a pretty hard knee-jerk opinion seeing that you only know me from a forum.

Do whatever you like, but you should know that I won't mind reporting you.

[jet]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

'Daily Media Coverage' - as you WILL discover when you have been on here a while longer - means absolutely ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING to certain members if it does not support and corroborate their viewpoints.

Such 'Daily Media Coverage', when quoted on here, elicits inane derision such as; "Pah.... It's the Daily Mail, Sun, Star, etc" and the content is irrationally dismissed - even though that same content has been reported in numerous other newspapers and by the BBC or ITV news etc.

And it is not just 'Daily Media Coverage' either which is so conveniently decried because DIRECT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is too and the poster is virtually made out to be a liar - if that direct personal experience also does not coincide with those same members viewpoints.

Opinions are opinions, preferences are preferences, but FACTS are FACTS.

Or should be.

Absolutely spot on Kirk!

Some decry the lack of debates when the truth is you can debate, post links and relate personal experiences until you're blue in the face and it is often just brushed off as nonsense as some just refuse to give due consideration to anything than conflicts with their own carved in stone stances.

It's the 'I don't like what you're saying/what that link is saying so I'm not going to believe a word of it' syndrome.
It often makes debates pointless really and a waste of time.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I am not disputing any of the above. I can find lots of faults with this Government - as I can EVERY other Government of the past 50 years or so - what I was referring to was your apparent faith that 'Daily Media Coverage' was some kind of 'irrefutable' evidence which can be used on here to help win an argument/debate/ prove a point.

It OUGHT to be, but on TIBB, that depends upon the argument and those whom you are arguing against.

Thank you for the 'Welcome Back', which I appreciate.

Exactly the point.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

OK my mother just had a short stay in a modern well equipped hospital and was well looked after.

She has been in a few times of late and its been the same. You can get a Starbucks in there and an M And S sandwich

Glad your mum had a good experience LT, I hope she's feeling better.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

OK my mother just had a short stay in a modern well equipped hospital and was well looked after.

She has been in a few times of late and its been the same. You can get a Starbucks in there and an M And S sandwich

Ooh well. They have a Starbucks.

Practically the cure of cancer. We've never had it so good.

I'd say the fact that the franchise shops set up in there are the only things you bother to list about this hospital either shows how bad things actually are or rather shows your complete disregard for the actual serious topic and are yet again taking the piss.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Exactly the point.

Every government has their faults, so that means we must applaud the current one and not discuss their faults despite that government being in power and those faults affecting us all in a massive way right here and now? Rubbish.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Ooh well. They have a Starbucks.

Practically the cure of cancer. We've never had it so good.

I'd say the fact that the franchise shops set up in there are the only things you bother to list about this hospital either shows how bad things actually are or rather shows your complete disregard for the actual serious topic and are yet again taking the piss.

Just highlighting as if it needed it the absurdity of the claim public services are on their knees. I note the claimant has done a runner..

Lol