[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

then provide actual and specific evidence and not "left wing rally porn"

what, spend time proving white is white and black is black? Daily media coverage over the last years have been doing that. Not my fault if you haven't been paying attention.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

what, spend time proving white is white and black is black? Daily media coverage over the last years have been doing that. Not my fault if you haven't been paying attention.

If only everyone as a clever and caught on as you, eh? You must be a genius or something.

Or maybe people just have differing opinions.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

If only everyone as a clever and caught on as you, eh? You must be a genius or something.

Or maybe people just have differing opinions.

Provide some factual basis for your opinions then.

And fgs, stop these personal attacks because it shows desperation and is a bit embarrassing to read.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Provide some factual basis for your opinions then.

And fgs, stop these personal attacks because it shows desperation and is a bit embarrassing to read.

"Provide some factual basis for your opinions then."

"Tories brought public services to their knees"



so lets see you walk the walk then?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Provide some factual basis for your opinions then."

"Tories brought public services to their knees"



so lets see you walk the walk then?

I would have a go at this if I didn't have to take me ma shopping.... I'll have a go later if you like

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I would have a go at this if I didn't have to take me ma shopping.... I'll have a go later if you like

Well good luck as Public Services is quite a big area and "on their knees" would suggest are broken and not working ie not providing that service - like say a bin strike?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well good luck as Public Services is quite a big area and "on their knees" would suggest are broken and not working ie not providing that service - like say a bin strike?

"On their knees" suggests they're still operating and trying with all their might to provide the service they were designed for. All the while not having the money or resources they need to provide that service effectively. So if it can't function properly it's not working.

Meanwhile, in London those people apparently in charge are keeping their second homes, three holidays a year and big bumper bonuses. But... we're all in it together...

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Provide some factual basis for your opinions then."

"Tories brought public services to their knees"



so lets see you walk the walk then?

LOL

OK, LT, you may have not heard but there's a funding crisis in the NHS, police numbers have been cut, police stations in London have been closed, benefits and services have been cut, local authorities have seen their governments grants cut, there's been reduction in armed services numbers and funding

google is your friend if you want to find out more

btw, how was the holiday on Mars?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

LOL

OK, LT, you may have not heard but there's a funding crisis in the NHS, police numbers have been cut, police stations in London have been closed, benefits and services have been cut, local authorities have seen their governments grants cut, there's been reduction in armed services numbers and funding

google is your friend if you want to find out more

btw, how was the holiday on Mars?

cutting benefits and streamlining services happens in every parliament. Im looking foir the services "on their knees"?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Provide some factual basis for your opinions then.

And fgs, stop these personal attacks because it shows desperation and is a bit embarrassing to read.

Where's all the facts supporting your own opinions? Or is it just me who has to provide evidence?

And again.... what did we do here before you wafted in in January to show us all where we've been going wrong? Or maybe you're not new at all, who knows...

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

Where's all the facts supporting your own opinions? Or is it just me who has to provide evidence?

And again.... what did we do here before you wafted in in January to show us all where we've been going wrong? Or maybe you're not new at all, who knows...

the shade of it all!

1/resenting new members
2/suggesting I'm a banned member or a multi

any more insults and innuendos? should I report you now or wait a bit longer?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

the shade of it all!

1/resenting new members
2/suggesting I'm a banned member or a multi

any more insults and innuendos? should I report you now or wait a bit longer?

No, go ahead and report me now.

Since the first time you posted, you've talked to me like we've talked before.

And incidentally.... you body-swerved my first paragraph. Funny that.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, go ahead and report me now.

Since the first time you posted, you've talked to me like we've talked before.

And incidentally.... you body-swerved my first paragraph. Funny that.

I'd rather not report you, Livia. I don't like reporting and I'd rather your posts attacking me stayed here because I find the paranoia in them amusing.

I talk to you as I talk to everybody. We even agree in some threads, I hope you've noticed.

I swerved your paragraph because I'd already started listing areas that are underfunded in response to LT. So now it's your turn to show how everything is just fine.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

what, spend time proving white is white and black is black? Daily media coverage over the last years have been doing that. Not my fault if you haven't been paying attention.

so i take it you cant actually back up your loud hailer claim?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

what, spend time proving white is white and black is black? Daily media coverage over the last years have been doing that. Not my fault if you haven't been paying attention.

'Daily Media Coverage' - as you WILL discover when you have been on here a while longer - means absolutely ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING to certain members if it does not support and corroborate their viewpoints.

Such 'Daily Media Coverage', when quoted on here, elicits inane derision such as; "Pah.... It's the Daily Mail, Sun, Star, etc" and the content is irrationally dismissed - even though that same content has been reported in numerous other newspapers and by the BBC or ITV news etc.

And it is not just 'Daily Media Coverage' either which is so conveniently decried because DIRECT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is too and the poster is virtually made out to be a liar - if that direct personal experience also does not coincide with those same members viewpoints.

Opinions are opinions, preferences are preferences, but FACTS are FACTS.

Or should be.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

'Daily Media Coverage' - as you WILL discover when you have been on here a while longer - means absolutely ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING to certain members if it does not support and corroborate their viewpoints.

Such 'Daily Media Coverage', when quoted on here, elicits inane derision such as; "Pah.... It's the Daily Mail, Sun, Star, etc" and the content is irrationally dismissed - even though that same content has been reported in numerous other newspapers and by the BBC or ITV news etc.

And it is not just 'Daily Media Coverage' either which is so conveniently decried because DIRECT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is too and the poster is virtually made out to be a liar - if that direct personal experience also does not coincide with those same members viewpoints.

Opinions are opinions, preferences are preferences, but FACTS are FACTS.

Or should be.

ok, so how about professional associations in nhs and police calling on government to stop cutting because it affects functioning of their services?
how about association of local councils warning of dangers to services due to cuts?

edit: and btw, welcome, I understand you are a returning and popular member.
it seems a bit funny for a newbie like me welcoming you, an old-timer

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

ok, so how about professional associations in nhs and police calling on government to stop cutting because it affects functioning of their services?
how about association of local councils warning of dangers to services due to cuts?

edit: and btw, welcome, I understand you are a returning and popular member.
it seems a bit funny for a newbie like me welcoming you, an old-timer

I am not disputing any of the above. I can find lots of faults with this Government - as I can EVERY other Government of the past 50 years or so - what I was referring to was your apparent faith that 'Daily Media Coverage' was some kind of 'irrefutable' evidence which can be used on here to help win an argument/debate/ prove a point.

It OUGHT to be, but on TIBB, that depends upon the argument and those whom you are arguing against.

Thank you for the 'Welcome Back', which I appreciate.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I am not disputing any of the above. I can find lots of faults with this Government - as I can EVERY other Government of the past 50 years or so - what I was referring to was your apparent faith that 'Daily Media Coverage' was some kind of 'irrefutable' evidence which can be used on here to help win an argument/debate/ prove a point.

It OUGHT to be, but on TIBB, that depends upon the argument and those whom you are arguing against.

Thank you for the 'Welcome Back', which I appreciate.

Thank you, I take your point.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I am not disputing any of the above. I can find lots of faults with this Government - as I can EVERY other Government of the past 50 years or so - what I was referring to was your apparent faith that 'Daily Media Coverage' was some kind of 'irrefutable' evidence which can be used on here to help win an argument/debate/ prove a point.

It OUGHT to be, but on TIBB, that depends upon the argument and those whom you are arguing against.

Thank you for the 'Welcome Back', which I appreciate.

Exactly the point.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Exactly the point.

Every government has their faults, so that means we must applaud the current one and not discuss their faults despite that government being in power and those faults affecting us all in a massive way right here and now? Rubbish.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Every government has their faults, so that means we must applaud the current one and not discuss their faults despite that government being in power and those faults affecting us all in a massive way right here and now? Rubbish.

I didn't say all that, that's all you Marsh.

[jet]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

'Daily Media Coverage' - as you WILL discover when you have been on here a while longer - means absolutely ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING to certain members if it does not support and corroborate their viewpoints.

Such 'Daily Media Coverage', when quoted on here, elicits inane derision such as; "Pah.... It's the Daily Mail, Sun, Star, etc" and the content is irrationally dismissed - even though that same content has been reported in numerous other newspapers and by the BBC or ITV news etc.

And it is not just 'Daily Media Coverage' either which is so conveniently decried because DIRECT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is too and the poster is virtually made out to be a liar - if that direct personal experience also does not coincide with those same members viewpoints.

Opinions are opinions, preferences are preferences, but FACTS are FACTS.

Or should be.

Absolutely spot on Kirk!

Some decry the lack of debates when the truth is you can debate, post links and relate personal experiences until you're blue in the face and it is often just brushed off as nonsense as some just refuse to give due consideration to anything than conflicts with their own carved in stone stances.

It's the 'I don't like what you're saying/what that link is saying so I'm not going to believe a word of it' syndrome.
It often makes debates pointless really and a waste of time.