[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Time for adults to stop forcing this kind of crap on kids. Someone had an agenda when they thought of this, and it wasn't one of the pupils. 'Pride' is a great thing for adults and long may the celebration continue, but forcing it on a school? Surely the message should be inclusion and not separation? Being gay doesn't make you different from the rest of society, you're not unique or special, you're just another person. Maybe that'd be a better lesson.

100% true, no one needs it ramming down their necks esp children , its gets bloody boring after a while get over yourself you're not special or a special case

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Livia

you're not unique or special, you're just another person. Maybe that'd be a better lesson.

I wish that was everyone's view, but sadly it's not, many LGBT people including myself are scared of a normal activity like holding hands with another person of the same sex in public, my friend and his partner was spat on a few weeks ago in daylight as they were holding hands walking in public view, that's why LGBT issues must have a strong voice, because until LGBT people are seen as "just another person" as you stated, Pride events and awareness must still go on

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Samm

I wish that was everyone's view, but sadly it's not, many LGBT people including myself are scared of a normal activity like holding hands with another person of the same sex in public, my friend and his partner was spat on a few weeks ago in daylight as they were holding hands walking in public view, that's why LGBT issues must have a strong voice, because until LGBT people are seen as "just another person" as you stated, Pride events and awareness must still go on

Thats fine for consenting ADULTS but keep kids out of it

[Samm]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Thats fine for consenting ADULTS but keep kids out of it

Why? Pride has different forms, an adult pride parade would be much different for one centred around kids, why should we let this younger generation of kids grow up thinking something is wrong with them for years until they discovered what gay means themselves, is years of suffering and bullying worth it?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Samm

Why? Pride has different forms, an adult pride parade would be much different for one centred around kids, why should we let this younger generation of kids grow up thinking something is wrong with them for years until they discovered what gay means themselves, is years of suffering and bullying worth it?

It’s a black school. Enough said.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Samm

Why? Pride has different forms, an adult pride parade would be much different for one centred around kids, why should we let this younger generation of kids grow up thinking something is wrong with them for years until they discovered what gay means themselves, is years of suffering and bullying worth it?

No form of sexuality including sex education should be rammed down young childrens necks

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Samm

I wish that was everyone's view, but sadly it's not, many LGBT people including myself are scared of a normal activity like holding hands with another person of the same sex in public, my friend and his partner was spat on a few weeks ago in daylight as they were holding hands walking in public view, that's why LGBT issues must have a strong voice, because until LGBT people are seen as "just another person" as you stated, Pride events and awareness must still go on

It wasn't that long ago you could go to prison for being gay. Now you can marry the person you love and it's actually against the law to discriminate. You can't deny that things have changed for gay people and continue to change. But taking that into a primary school... I don't think it belongs there. Secondary school... maybe.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Samm

I wish that was everyone's view, but sadly it's not, many LGBT people including myself are scared of a normal activity like holding hands with another person of the same sex in public, my friend and his partner was spat on a few weeks ago in daylight as they were holding hands walking in public view, that's why LGBT issues must have a strong voice, because until LGBT people are seen as "just another person" as you stated, Pride events and awareness must still go on

Not all cultures have been streamlined to be PC though have they.

You’re living on cloud 9 if you think Nigerian parents in South London wouldn’t take their kids out of a primary school that advocates gay pride for primary school kids.

Pride events don’t need to go on at school. Especially black schools. That’s how it is in reality.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Redway

Not all cultures have been streamlined to be PC though have they.

You’re living on cloud 9 if you think Nigerian parents in South London wouldn’t take their kids out of a primary school that advocates gay pride for primary school kids.

Pride events don’t need to go on at school. Especially black schools. That’s how it is in reality.

To be fair I don’t think any culture should be given special treatment on this. Why especially black schools - there are many parents who don’t want it in ‘white’ schools either - though I doubt there is any school in the country that is 100% white these days.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

To be fair I don’t think any culture should be given special treatment on this. Why especially black schools - there are many parents who don’t want it in ‘white’ schools either - though I doubt there is any school in the country that is 100% white these days.

Why especially black schools?

Because black culture is much more homophobic than white British culture. Facts whether it sounds PC or not.

White people who aren’t exposed to Afro-Caribbean tings and assume that everyone’s at the same level of political correctness might not admit the truth but I can say that.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Livia

It wasn't that long ago you could go to prison for being gay. Now you can marry the person you love and it's actually against the law to discriminate. You can't deny that things have changed for gay people and continue to change. But taking that into a primary school... I don't think it belongs there. Secondary school... maybe.

I know things have changed massively in the last twenty years, I didn't say it didn't and i'm proud of that, but that reality is there's still a lot of discrimination that occurs, secondary school it should be yes, but it's better to give the LGBT information to kids at a young age, i'm not saying they need to throw a massive pride parade to show this, but maybe adapt it to one of their lessons, inform them about LGBT and that it's perfectly normal for people of the same sex to love each other, and in terms of a pride event I don't see anything wrong with it, for parents to come in, and being able to dress up in colourful outfits with the entire school, sell food and drinks like a normal parade

Originally Posted by Redway

Not all cultures have been streamlined to be PC though have they.

You’re living on cloud 9 if you think Nigerian parents in South London wouldn’t take their kids out of a primary school that advocates gay pride for primary school kids.

Pride events don’t need to go on at school. Especially black schools. That’s how it is in reality.

So we should just ignore the issues? and let them stay like that, maybe not the pride parade like I was saying and maybe some educational lessons

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Samm

I know things have changed massively in the last twenty years, I didn't say it didn't and i'm proud of that, but that reality is there's still a lot of discrimination that occurs, secondary school it should be yes, but it's better to give the LGBT information to kids at a young age, i'm not saying they need to throw a massive pride parade to show this, but maybe adapt it to one of their lessons, inform them about LGBT and that it's perfectly normal for people of the same sex to love each other, and in terms of a pride event I don't see anything wrong with it, for parents to come in, and being able to dress up in colourful outfits with the entire school, sell food and drinks like a normal parade



So we should just ignore the issues? and let them stay like that, maybe not the pride parade like I was saying and maybe some educational lessons

I have no objection to the subject being discussed in school. I have three nieces who are now 15, 13 and 10. They all go to the same school and they all have openly gay friends at that school. Kids are far more accepting of others than adults are anyway, so having adults force a gay pride march on a primary school seems like overkill to me.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

'Pride' is a great thing for adults and long may the celebration continue, but forcing it on a school? Surely the message should be inclusion and not separation? Being gay doesn't make you different from the rest of society.

Yeah that was my thought that I was struggling to communicate... Adults understand the issue and persecution of homosexuals so "Pride" in an adult context is a great thing. But when it's young kids who don't yet really question or judge same-sex couples, does something like this - having a special event to tell them that it's OK / perfectly normal to be gay - not just plant the idea that some people MUST think that gay people are abnormal, in order for there to be an event stating that its normal?

Like if I sat down to a nice bowl of cornflakes and opened the paper and saw a huge press release saying "HEY EVERYONE! There is absolutely nothing wrong with Cornflakes!" my immediate thought would be "oh **** what are people saying is wrong with cornflakes?"

I have no idea if that makes sense.

But anyway... Yeah... For adults who have a grasp of the general situation - and even older kids - it would be great but it's just confusing and unnecessary for younger kids.

So if it was a high school, great. Even if it was specifically put together for the older kids say 9+ (when this stuff starts to become relevant), it would probably be valuable. For 5 year olds though? I think it just demonstrates a misunderstanding of how young children's minds process information and social etiquette. It assumes that kids are just like "little adults", when they're simply not.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah that was my thought that I was struggling to communicate... Adults understand the issue and persecution of homosexuals so "Pride" in an adult context is a great thing. But when it's young kids who don't yet really question or judge same-sex couples, does something like this - having a special event to tell them that it's OK / perfectly normal to be gay - not just plant the idea that some people MUST think that gay people are abnormal, in order for there to be an event stating that its normal?

Like if I sat down to a nice bowl of cornflakes and opened the paper and saw a huge press release saying "HEY EVERYONE! There is absolutely nothing wrong with Cornflakes!" my immediate thought would be "oh **** what are people saying is wrong with cornflakes?"

I have no idea if that makes sense.

But anyway... Yeah... For adults who have a grasp of the general situation - and even older kids - it would be great but it's just confusing and unnecessary for younger kids.

So if it was a high school, great. Even if it was specifically put together for the older kids say 9+ (when this stuff starts to become relevant), it would probably be valuable. For 5 year olds though? I think it just demonstrates a misunderstanding of how young children's minds process information and social etiquette. It assumes that kids are just like "little adults", when they're simply not.

Yeah that was basically what i tried to express earlier too and got shot down

[armand.kay]

I think the fact that people find the idea of children being taught about gay people so offensive just goes to show that the idea of gayness being somehow perverted or dirty hasn't died out yet. A pride event at a school Imo is no different to the black history month days we use to have when I was in school. I hope people soon realise that you can speak to children about gay people without whipping out the gay porn

[Redway]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I think the fact that people find the idea of children being taught about gay people so offensive just goes to show that the idea of gayness being somehow perverted or dirty hasn't died out yet. A pride event at a school Imo is no different to the black history month days we use to have when I was in school. I hope people soon realise that you can speak to children about gay people without whipping out the gay porn

Not everyone’s white British.

Outdated views on homosexuality are growing out in Western culture. But Western culture isn’t the face of world culture is it.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Redway

Not everyone’s white British.

Outdated views on homosexuality are growing out in Western culture. But Western culture isn’t the face of world culture is it.

So then why should we let these people with outdated views dictate what is taught at or schools?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I think the fact that people find the idea of children being taught about gay people so offensive just goes to show that the idea of gayness being somehow perverted or dirty hasn't died out yet. A pride event at a school Imo is no different to the black history month days we use to have when I was in school. I hope people soon realise that you can speak to children about gay people without whipping out the gay porn

They're not being "taught". This is a kind of Pride event. No one thinks gay people are offensive, no one wants them singled out - although they do tend to do that themselves - No one thinks they're dirty... this is about the inappropriateness of taking a gay pride event into a primary school.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Livia

They're not being "taught". This is a kind of Pride event. No one thinks gay people are offensive, no one wants them singled out - although they do tend to do that themselves - No one thinks they're dirty... this is about the inappropriateness of taking a gay pride event into a primary school.

I just don't see whats so inappropriate about it tbh. all I'm imagining is a few rainbow cupcakes and the kids people told that some times people of the same gender fall in love...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I just don't see whats so inappropriate about it tbh. all I'm imagining is a few rainbow cupcakes and the kids people told that some times people of the same gender fall in love...

Which is fine for secondary but not for primary

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Which is fine for secondary but not for primary

why not

[Samm]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I think the fact that people find the idea of children being taught about gay people so offensive just goes to show that the idea of gayness being somehow perverted or dirty hasn't died out yet. A pride event at a school Imo is no different to the black history month days we use to have when I was in school. I hope people soon realise that you can speak to children about gay people without whipping out the gay porn

[armand.kay]

If I was the headmistress I would just put my foot down and held the event anyway.

[Samm]

Which is fine for secondary but not for primary

by secondary school most kids have a clear mindset on social issues such as love, and anything being taught about homosexuality would be laughed at or ignored

[Northern Monkey]

Just let young kids be kids imo.There’s plenty of time for them to find out about the complexities of adult relationships.Some kids ask questions younger than others and we should be honest with them when topics come up but some kids just don’t care until they’re abit older.No need to push stuff on them.I think in secondary school it’s fine.