[Livia]

I find it par for the course that remainers think the EU is right to mock us, and leavers are angry about it.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

I find it par for the course that remainers think the EU is right to mock us, and leavers are angry about it.

do you think anyone takes our parliament seriously now? We are a laughing stock across the world, and the EU didn't do that to us, we did it all by ourselves

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

do you think anyone takes our parliament seriously now? We are a laughing stock across the world, and the EU didn't do that to us, we did it all by ourselves

No, I think we look ridiculous after the continued mishandling, month after month... but the EU were never going to give us an easy time. And their behaviour has been questionable at best. You know how much we pay to the EU and what proportion we get back. Of course they were always going to make it difficult.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

do you think anyone takes our parliament seriously now? We are a laughing stock across the world, and the EU didn't do that to us, we did it all by ourselves

Such is the ignorant delusion, they still believe the EU should bend to our will.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Such is the ignorant delusion, they still believe the EU should bend to our will.

Yeah, I think that was meant for me.

No one here is ignorant, not even you.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

I find it par for the course that remainers think the EU is right to mock us, and leavers are angry about it.

Leavers ARE angry, 'Grrr Remainers! Grrr Theresa May! Grrr the EU! Grrr Diane Abbot!' There's no self reflection there, just blaming everyone but themselves for buying the snake oil.

We are a laughing stock and we deserve to be, the people voted for something they didn't understand and were lied to about it and told to disregard experts who said things they didn't like and now brexit isn't likely to ever happen because the leavers want some idealised idea of Brexit that's never going to happen. We aren't going to magically be better off with no deal and we aren't likely to get a better deal than the one that was on the table.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Leavers ARE angry, 'Grrr Remainers! Grrr Theresa May! Grrr the EU! Grrr Diane Abbot!' There's no self reflection there, just blaming everyone but themselves for buying the snake oil.

We are a laughing stock and we deserve to be, the people voted for something they didn't understand and were lied to about it and told to disregard experts who said things they didn't like and now brexit isn't likely to ever happen because the leavers want some idealised idea of Brexit that's never going to happen. We aren't going to magically be better off with no deal and we aren't likely to get a better deal than the one that was on the table.

Sorry to pull you up.on something dezzy, and I can't really be bothered to reply back.

But I, as a leaver....well the last people I'm grrr ring at is remainers..if the vote was to stay in the eu I would still want to leave so would probably flounce about pretending my opinion to still leave was relevant.


So I would applaud these people, not grrr grrr at them, as you so eliquently put it.

[Vicky.]

Of course the Eu is right to mock us. Well, to mock those of us who believed that basically, we could lose all the bad bits and keep the good, and possibly even get the good bits better. It really is unbelievable to me that anyone thought that. In what world would that ever happen..its wishful thinking, and I wish they were right, but obviously not :S

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course the Eu is right to mock us. Well, to mock those of us who believed that basically, we could lose all the bad bits and keep the good, and possibly even get the good bits better. It really is unbelievable to me that anyone thought that. In what world would that ever happen..its wishful thinking, and I wish they were right, but obviously not :S

Well, they're mocking us now and they've mocked us from the start. The steel industry in this country is about to collapse, and the EU has to take responsibility for that. But they won't.

Who do you think thought we would keep all the good stuff and lose all the bad stuff. We have to get past this idea that everyone who voted to leave was misinformed and gullible, and those who voted remain... and lost... had it right all the time. The whole of Parliament has mocked everyone who voted to leave. That's worse than the EU mocking us.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, they're mocking us now and they've mocked us from the start. The steel industry in this country is about to collapse, and the EU has to take responsibility for that. But they won't.

Who do you think thought we would keep all the good stuff and lose all the bad stuff. We have to get past this idea that everyone who voted to leave was misinformed and gullible, and those who voted remain... and lost... had it right all the time. The whole of Parliament has mocked everyone who voted to leave. That's worse than the EU mocking us.

Erm I don't think that and have never thought that. I think most were misinformed but it IS mainly leavers I know who regret their vote as they were convinced we would have trade deals and such as..well thats what they were told Hell, right after the results leavers were already fighting among themselves for 'soft' or 'hard' brexit, so they were clearly voting on two seperate things in reality...soft brexit..from what I have seen appears to be wanting the good without the bad. Trade deals with no immigration, that kind of thing.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Erm I don't think that and have never thought that. I think most were misinformed but it IS mainly leavers I know who regret their vote as they were convinced we would have trade deals and such as..well thats what they were told Hell, right after the results leavers were already fighting among themselves for 'soft' or 'hard' brexit, so they were clearly voting on two seperate things in reality...soft brexit..from what I have seen appears to be wanting the good without the bad. Trade deals with no immigration, that kind of thing.

It's all I hear, Vicky... especially on here... how gullible was the electorate who voted to leave, they believed all that money would go to the NHS every year. No one believed that, Not even Boris, I suspect.

I voted leave because I want us to take control of our own borders not be told who we can and can't let in, and so that our courts could not be overruled by foreign judges. The reason we have not left yet, in my view, is twofold... Mrs May is intransigent and would take no advice from anyone, pushing her lame duck deal through time after tie to be voted down. And much of Parliament, including some Tory MPs, would have overruled anything that was produced because the majority of them are remainers, despite what their constituents voted.

If we had no deal on the date we were leaving, we should have just left with no deal. We buy more German cars than the Germans, and look at all the stuff we import from the EU. No one thinks those sellers wouldn't want to sell to us, so it's in the EU's best interest to broker a decent deal for everyone... but no, they can't make it look too easy because if they did, other countries would follow.

One thing I'm certain of... it's a ****ing mess.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's all I hear, Vicky... especially on here... how gullible was the electorate who voted to leave, they believed all that money would go to the NHS every year. No one believed that, Not even Boris, I suspect.

Of course Boris knew it was bollocks. It was his bollocks in the first place wasn't it?! (what a lovely thought ) Unfortunately, a lot of people were duped by this, and other lies like it. Which was what the lies were meant to do. The lies were not one way, fairly sure I saw a campaign round here with placards stating that if we vote leave, noone in the country would get a pension...

It was all bollocks. Just bollocks on a stick. Stupid idea to have a vote and then basically just have a huge campaign of misinformation.

And now, we are ****ed. People in both camps are pissed off, the government look weak as **** and May is a laughing stock (though I do kind of feel for her..poisned chalice and all that.). I still don't get WHY she was so set on her ****ing deal. Putting the exact same one before them over and over is not going to convince anyone, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity ffs. THEN, trying to get it through by promising to **** off afterwards, knowing how many want shot of her so trying to basically bribe them to vote for the deal, like she bribed the DUP with random money pulled from her arse (when we are apparently broke) just so she could stay in power after her ridiculous decision to call a snap election thinking she would wipe the floor with the equally useless Corbyn! How desperate..would love to know why she was so attached to that deal mind

Honestly, at this stage I struggle to even be coherent when debating this topic. Its gone on way too long, much longer than it should and..well whats left to say really. I just end up swearing a lot

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Erm I don't think that and have never thought that. I think most were misinformed but it IS mainly leavers I know who regret their vote as they were convinced we would have trade deals and such as..well thats what they were told Hell, right after the results leavers were already fighting among themselves for 'soft' or 'hard' brexit, so they were clearly voting on two seperate things in reality...soft brexit..from what I have seen appears to be wanting the good without the bad. Trade deals with no immigration, that kind of thing.

It just get's better. By saying they never believed this or never believed that, then they just reveal themselves as the most easily duped and ignorant voting bloc in the history of the country.

They believed nothing, but when you point out it must have been for xenophobic anti-immigration reasons they have a fit about that too.

They are basically saying that they voted for something for absolutely no reason, without any understanding of why it would be a benefit but want you to take them seriously. I mean c'mon, this is just primary school levels of wish fulfillment.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It just get's better. By saying they never believed this or never believed that, then they just reveal themselves as the most easily duped and ignorant voting bloc in the history of the country.

They believed nothing, but when you point out it must have been for xenophobic anti-immigration reasons they have a fit about that too.

They are basically saying that they voted for something for absolutely no reason, without any understanding of why it would be a benefit but want you to take them seriously. I mean c'mon, this is just primary school levels of wish fulfillment.

I don't think thats fair tbh. Some voted for reasons other than falling for the lies or being xenophobic.

Though I have to say, in my 'friendship/family' group..it was mainly either falling for the lies or it being about immigration. Along with a fair few who voted to leave while believing pie in the sky 'no immigration or fees, but keep trade deals' stuff whcih was clearly ridiculous.

I mean, I don't pretend I even knew what I was voting for, should have looked up more at the time but was kind of put off the whole thing by all the obvious bull**** that people were falling for, along with the fact that the vote itself seemed to make some people think that it was now fine to be openly racist (again, not calling all leavers racist, but its undeniable that many took it as license to be..loud with ignorant views) It all just made me turn off. Also, again I feel the need to point out that obviously not everyone who had immigration as part of the reason for their vote was being xenophobic or whatever, some were genuine. But a fair few..were basically just like 'get the ****ers out!!!!' (which again was not going to bloody happen either..)

So I voted on better the devil you know really. Rather than being totally informed. I didn't even know on the morning I voted which way I was going to go! But decided that the leave side was just telling more lies, and I would rather no change at all than..possibly totally ****ing the country. Of course it could have really benefitted us, still a slim possibility that it might. But in hindsight, I am fairly sure I made the right call.

Just get so frustrated with it all. And how some people on my life have changed for the worse. Or not changed really, just..showed a hidden side of themselves. And how it seems to be denied that this happens.