[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

Just on the Jussie Smollett one Dezzy, you say the media posted what the believed to be the facts. Why didn't they wait for the facts? It's not even that big of a story, attacks happen in Chicago all the time.

The reason was to send out anti-Trump propaganda.

Even little old me, sat at home in Hull, immediately was suspicious of the story, because it didn't make sense. And top mainstream journalists couldn't work that out? Or could they, but they were happy to lie.

The newspaper headlines on 9/12:

Something happened in New York.

[arista]

Trump just called this Domestic Terrorism
and for this 21 year old
a Fast Death Penalty is now on route.


[He called this weekend's attacks in Texas and Ohio "barbaric", adding they were "crimes against all humanity".]

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Trump just called this Domestic Terrorism
and for this 21 year old
a Fast Death Penalty is now on route.


[He called this weekend's attacks in Texas and Ohio "barbaric", adding they were "crimes against all humanity".]

Don't believe a word he says

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Don't believe a word he says

Of Course.


But today he changed his thoughts

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Of Course.


But today he changed his thoughts

Bc something happened. Soon he will be back to hate mongering

[bots]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Bc something happened. Soon he will be back to hate mongering

in fairness to Trump, he has announced some measures, things start changing from small beginnings

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Of Course.


But today he changed his thoughts

He didn't, because not long after that speech he was back pushing immigration reform as the lesson from the weekend. So a white nationalist murders loads of innocent brown people, and the lesson isn't that he needs to sort himself out, it's that they need to stop brown people coming in so white dudes don't have to massacre them.

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He didn't, because not long after that speech he was back pushing immigration reform as the lesson from the weekend. So a white nationalist murders loads of innocent brown people, and the lesson isn't that he needs to sort himself out, it's that they need to stop brown people coming in so white dudes don't have to massacre them.

He holds a political view, why should he change that view when some idiot goes shooting?

[arista]

Its now 21 dead , sadly.

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-bla...tings-11778094

[Oliver_W]

The shooter: is openly calling himself a leftist, has his pronouns in his twitter bio, supports Elizabeth Warren.

Certain people: yeah but it's still Trump's fault.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The shooter: is openly calling himself a leftist, has his pronouns in his twitter bio, supports Elizabeth Warren.

Certain people: yeah but it's still Trump's fault.

Yes he supported Warren

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The shooter: is openly calling himself a leftist, has his pronouns in his twitter bio, supports Elizabeth Warren.

Certain people: yeah but it's still Trump's fault.

But forum members in this thread assured me that it was Right wing, White supremacists, are you trying to tell me that they jumped to conclusions too soon and was wrong?

Who'd have thunk it?

Like other members, I've lost interest in the story now.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

But forum members in this thread assured me that it was Right wing, White supremacists, are you trying to tell me that they jumped to conclusions too soon and was wrong?

Who'd have thunk it?

Like other members, I've lost interest in the story now.

The difference, is that he wasn't shooting people having left a manifesto talking about free healthcare and affordable education. It's not the political leaning of a person that tells us the situation, because folks from the left and right have been killing people with guns as long as they've had them available, but when explains in detail why he's doing what he's doing, and he's parroting the language of the trump, then it's fairly obvious what hs motivations were.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

But forum members in this thread assured me that it was Right wing, White supremacists, are you trying to tell me that they jumped to conclusions too soon and was wrong?

Who'd have thunk it?

Like other members, I've lost interest in the story now.

He was far right

All that bollocks about supporting Warren is a smoke screen.

[bots]

Trump insisted that a baby who was left an orphan by the shootings be brought to the hospital for a picture. Does anyone else find this completely tasteless?

Spoiler:

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Trump insisted that a baby who was left an orphan by the shootings be brought to the hospital for a picture. Does anyone else find this completely tasteless?

Spoiler:

No he can do what every other President does.
Not a problem.

The Shooter did not follow Trump
he liked Warren.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

No he can do what every other President does.
Not a problem.

The Shooter did not follow Trump
he liked Warren.

I can’t remember any other President using an orphan who’s parents died in a mass shooting as a photo op like they’re meeting Mickey Mouse at Disneyland, it’s appalling

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I can’t remember any other President using an orphan who’s parents died in a mass shooting as a photo op like they’re meeting Mickey Mouse at Disneyland, it’s appalling

That was the most rancid thing I have ever seen... there is just no human emotion from these two, they're like droids :/

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The shooter: is openly calling himself a leftist, has his pronouns in his twitter bio, supports Elizabeth Warren.

Certain people: yeah but it's still Trump's fault.

Well, if he lifted measures for, well, stopping mentally ill people getting access to guns, and then a mentally ill person goes a shooting, then surely he needs to take some blame? (and certainly not be all..well people like him shouldn't have a gun, why is there no measures in place, will get right to it!)

Even if the shooter was a leftie apparently, if they were mentally ill, then regardless of their politicial views, the person who basically allowed them to have the gun, is (partially) responsible IMO.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Trump insisted that a baby who was left an orphan by the shootings be brought to the hospital for a picture. Does anyone else find this completely tasteless?

Spoiler:

That kind of **** is always tasteless I think, regardless of who it is thats explotiing the orphaned kid in question for a photoshoot opportunity. Seem something else thats a lot more common than it should be really..

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well, if he lifted measures for, well, stopping mentally ill people getting access to guns, and then a mentally ill person goes a shooting, then surely he needs to take some blame? (and certainly not be all..well people like him shouldn't have a gun, why is there no measures in place, will get right to it!)

Even if the shooter was a leftie apparently, if they were mentally ill, then regardless of their politicial views, the person who basically allowed them to have the gun, is (partially) responsible IMO.

By that logic we can blame Obama for the shootings which happened under his presidency.

I know people point to Trump lifting some regulations, but (as far as I know) that only applied to older people who needed help with their pension, not all people with mental issues.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

By that logic we can blame Obama for the shootings which happened under his presidency.

We can indeed if Obama lifted restrictions on mentally ill people purchasing guns or anything similar to make it even more lax to get weapons? Not sure if he did, don't really keep up with American politics but also certainly do not think Obama is this god like figure many see him as either

I think any President who does nothing about gun regulation, can be blamed somewhat when the mass shootings occur really. However, there is MORE blame to go round, IF (as seems to have happened with Trump) measures that were put in place specifically to safeguard against mentally ill people getting weapons, were lifted, and then a mentally ill person does a large shootout..common sense?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

We can indeed if Obama lifted restrictions on mentally ill people purchasing guns or anything similar to make it even more lax to get weapons?

Those restrictions didn't apply to all mentally ill people, only elderly people who had trouble with their pensions.

[Liam-]

Everything he does is tasteless, but that definitely takes the cake, he’s a ghoul

[Vicky.]

Really really do not get why high powered guns are not, simply, disallowed. Let people keep their handguns for 'protection' given theres such uproar whever guns are mentioned as apparently everyone needs them for self defence, guns that fire loads of rounds and such, theres surely no need for if the excuse is 'but if someone broke into my house' or whatever.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Really really do not get why high powered guns are not, simply, disallowed. Let people keep their handguns for 'protection' given theres such uproar whever guns are mentioned as apparently everyone needs them for self defence, guns that fire loads of rounds and such, theres surely no need for if the excuse is 'but if someone broke into my house' or whatever.

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The only reason that makes sense as to why they're not, is money