[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lets start with the fact that bigot is a very generalised insult. It's not a term of endearment. The moment it is used it forces people to say no he is not or yes he is ... it polarising.

If an undecided voter agrees with anything that "the bigot" says, then he is by association a bigot and becomes equally offended. That's how Trump gets voters

Trump uses terms like infestation and invasion because he knows it triggers the dems and makes them come back with ... you racist bas ... polarising .... because at the end of the day, there is an immigration problem, everyone knows it .... everyone knows something needs to be done .... but here are the dems calling Trump a racist bas for suggesting it

Everything Trump does is planned to divide and polarise ... and with the exception of one or two like Nancy, he gets them every time.

This makes a bunch of assumptions. Are you talking specifically about Donnies immigration views? I agree with Trump on some issues - like draining the swamp and the ineffectiveness of congress - but its his rhetoric and bear baiting that disgusts me. I dont expect to be called a bigot for that and I dont think anyone has.

His views on immigration are indeed deliberately polarizing, I agree, He knows exactly what he's doing and he's stepping it up at the moment. I think if anyone aligns themselves with this disgusting way of describing people then questions need to asked. The name calling is too much but questions definitely need to be asked.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lets start with the fact that bigot is a very generalised insult. It's not a term of endearment. The moment it is used it forces people to say no he is not or yes he is ... it polarising.

If an undecided voter agrees with anything that "the bigot" says, then he is by association a bigot and becomes equally offended. That's how Trump gets voters

Trump uses terms like infestation and invasion because he knows it triggers the dems and makes them come back with ... you racist bas ... polarising .... because at the end of the day, there is an immigration problem, everyone knows it .... everyone knows something needs to be done .... but here are the dems calling Trump a racist bas for suggesting it

Everything Trump does is planned to divide and polarise ... and with the exception of one or two like Nancy, he gets them every time.

It's not a generalised term, like every other word it has a specific dictionary definition.
Of course nobody is going to like being accused of being a bigot.. but if you say bigoted things then why is it wrong to highlight that? It appears to me that you would have to be very thin skinned not to even attempt to acknowledge that, why is it 'polarising'?
I think you're wrong he doesn't use those words to trigger dems... he does it to sit seeds of division,it dehumanises whichever group you want to alienate. ..the Nazis did it very effectively.
Nobody is calling Trump for making a point about immigration, which he could legitimately do, however it HIS use of polarising language and rhetoric that us causing untold damage as his words as president are very powerful. Instead of tempering his language to reflect his diplomatic status he insists on being inflammatory. As you say he lives to divide and polarise are they the actions of a right, fair and just president?

[Twosugars]

We are not politicians so we can afford talking straight
I agree that Dems need to address the same issues as trump does, but in a measured way
But, they also need to call out his demagoguery and hate-mongering.

[Tom4784]

Sometimes a spade is a spade and calling it any different doesn't help anyone.

[Beso]

Its surely a factor of everything..

Maybe not this shooting, but certainly other mass killings can have the problems of these violent games on a young mind at the forefront of its cause..


Trump's language before this event has been somewhat misguided and unfortunate but the left has jumped on this and trumps words for thier own gain..trump says infestation...the left, on all news outlets I've been watching have used that word "infestation" and added other words like cockroaches etc to make trump look disgusting..

I don't think of cockroaches when I hear that word..I think of mice or nettles in the garden..

So in summary, I do believe that violent games and indeed the Internet can have a very negative and sometimes damaging effect on a young brain..and even more so on a young brain already struggling with other things.

[Vicky.]

I do agree that bigot is very very overused currently. Seems to be shouted at anyone who has a different view to the 'accepted leftie one'. I say this as a leftie myself too..but yeah. Have seen many instances of bigot being used for no reason other than to shut down someones opinion. Oddly enough, some of those shouting bigot are actually bigots themselves..if we go by the 'a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions' definition.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I do agree that bigot is very very overused currently. Seems to be shouted at anyone who has a different view to the 'accepted leftie one'. I say this as a leftie myself too..but yeah. Have seen many instances of bigot being used for no reason other than to shut down someones opinion. Oddly enough, some of those shouting bigot are actually bigots themselves..if we go by the 'a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions' definition.

Surprised you're a lefty...some of the violence and intoletance you have described yourself doing on here sounds more right wing than left, if that's whats to be believed of the left and right in the various acusations that are flung from side to side that is.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Surprised you're a lefty...some of the violence and intoletance you have described yourself doing on here sounds more right wing than left, if that's whats to be believed of the left and right in the various acusations that are flung from side to side that is.

You equate violence with right wing? I wouldn't. Far right maybe, not right in general.

I am probably quite centre overall, but lean more left than anything else. Tbh, my views are all over the place, but tend to be more aligning with the left wing than right

Would also be interested in what violence and intolerance you are talking about?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You equate violence with right wing? I wouldn't. Far right maybe, not right in general.

I am probably quite centre overall, but lean more left than anything else. Tbh, my views are all over the place, but tend to be more aligning with the left wing than right

I don't. ..but it can't be denied that many many people do.


All those stories about you fighting and arguing with people in the past led me to believe what I posted.

[Vicky.]

Ha. I can be argumentative sure. But I still tend to align mainly with the left wing. Been distancing myself purposely recently though, as I disagree with how things seem to be going..waaaaay too polarised for me and just screaming 'bigot' at someone with a diffrent opinion really doesn't work for me tbh.

[Twosugars]

Trump is a bigot








And a racist and white supremacist

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Trump is a bigot








And a racist and white supremacist

I do agree with this though

Sometimes it does need to be said, and is fairly obvious

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Trump is a bigot








And a racist and white supremacist

And sexist

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I do agree with this though

Sometimes it does need to be said, and is fairly obvious

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And sexist

And a big orange liar and cheat, draft-dodger and rapist (according to Ivana and others)

[Beso]

He may be one of those words described but it cant be denied that his balls have straddled the entire world since his presidency.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He may be one of those words described but it cant be denied that his balls have straddled the entire world since his presidency.

and yet the fat little rocket man is back to testing missiles

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

and yet the fat little rocket man is back to testing missiles

For donald obviously...When Russia, Germany, China and Poland come a knocking.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

and yet the fat little rocket man is back to testing missiles

That because South Korea /USA is doing Military Tests,
and those missiles North Korea fired
were short range in the sea.


Before he met Trump
NK was firing over Japan.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

That because South Korea /USA is doing Military Tests,
and those missiles North Korea fired
were short range in the sea.


Before he met Trump
NK was firing over Japan.

...when people defend and rationalise the actions of the NK dictator to preserve their love for Trump.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

...when people defend and rationalise the actions of the NK dictator to preserve their love for Trump.

I'm no longer surprised so many in germany found ways to excuse hitler
As we've seen with trump his supporters are blind to anything that is wrong with him

[Nicky91]

Trump is an ace at reality tv, his celeb apprentice series had many a-lister celebs

so he can be more suited to presidency of reality tv, rather than president of the free world (and yes that is the name for america too)

[Gstar]

I don't understand how he hasn't been assassinated yet

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Gstar

I don't understand how he hasn't been assassinated yet

Can't be arsed to report you but I've just had a month off for wishing death on Jeremy corbyn....


I would laugh normally but this place has turned me spiteful regarding reporting.

[Gstar]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Can't be arsed to report you but I've just had a month off for wishing death on Jeremy corbyn....


I would laugh normally but this place has turned me spiteful regarding reporting.

I didn't wish death I just thought he would be seeing as the whole world absolutely hate him, and a president has been assassinated before

[Twosugars]

Two leading Democratic presidential candidates – Elizabeth Warren and Beto O’Rourke – have said in separate interviews that they consider Donald Trump to be a white supremacist.

Asked whether she considered the president to be a white supremacist, Warren on Wednesday offered an unequivocal “Yes”, the New York Times reported.

“He has given aid and comfort to white supremacists,” the Massachusetts senator and 2020 runner said. “He’s done the wink and a nod. He has talked about white supremacists as fine people. He’s done everything he can to stir up racial conflict and hatred in this country.”

Earlier in the day, O’Rourke, the former congressman for the El Paso district, who has spoken out strongly about the president’s track record of using racist rhetoric, went a step further.

When he was asked directly about whether Trump was a white supremacist, in an MSNBC TV interview, he replied without hesitation: “He is.”

The Guardian