[Dr43%er]

"The fact they both have their shirts off is sexual." Maybe it was a hot day when the photo was took.

How would you feel if it was a man and a woman nearly kissing in the pic?

[Kristen]

That is a good point Remy.
If it was a man and a woman it would be less offensive nobody can deny it. It's just I wouldn't want children seeing something like that.
I have nothing against gay people. I have gay friends and am disgusted by homophobia. People have a right to live their lives and they can not help this.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Kristen

If it was a man and a woman it would be less offensive nobody can deny it. It's just I wouldn't want children seeing something like that.

But don't you think that as an image like this is still taboo to a certain extent, that if we treated it as a normal, natural thing, then attitudes might change?

[Dr43%er]

"If it was a man and a woman it would be less offensive"

To you. Please don't try to tell me what i should find offencive.

"nobody can deny it."

I can.

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by Stropz
Taijitu : We should all take on board your theory and the next time we see a homophobic post we should simply just respond to the poster with "You're gay!"




Note: This post was created with the intention of adding some humour onto the end of a very well debated subject. The author of this post takes no responsibility for any offense caused to members who may or may not have a sense of humour.

OMG! NO! NO! This really isnt what I was trying to say at all!

Look at it another way. If you watch a nature program and see two chimps having sex you can get turned on, not because you want sex with chimps but because you link it to having sex with your girlfriend/boyfriend. When a straight guy sees two men together they arnt attracted to men but get turned on and therefore feel uncomfortable (please dont think Im comparing gay people to chimps here...).

I know you added the note at the end but honestly telling a straight guy he could be gay because he gets turned on seeing two men together is the worst thing you could do as A) It may make him feel even more anger and B) he knows he is straight so justifies to himself that he is right and you are wrong.

I understand what your note at the end ment but just writing this in the hope that everyone else does .

Anyway, hope everyone carries on enjoying the show, I promise this is me last post here .

P.S. Thanks for the piccy Stropz I was wanting to see something like that to see how I would react . Love your sig aswell .

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

But don't you think that as an image like this is still taboo to a certain extent, that if we treated it as a normal, natural thing, then attitudes might change?

I hope attitudes do change and we have come a long way in a short time with respect to homosexuals.
It's a bit strange because I just watched the ep of 'Seinfeld' where George thinks he's turning gay without realising and at the end in Jerry's stand up sketch he asked what causes homophobia
Strange innit.

[lily.]

I'm not changing my avatar because there's nothing indecent about it. In fact, there have been far more indecent images on people's signatures and avatars in the past. However, they were only of heterosexuals and nobody seemed to object. Coincidence?

My children have seen gay couples kissing on the TV before. It's really no different from seeing straight couples kissing. I'm very responsible with regards to what my children are allowed to watch on TV, and they are certainly not exposed to anything indecent or sexually explicit. However, in my opinion, a kiss is neither of those.

I would be more concerned with children talking rather openly to strangers on an internet forum than them seeing an image like the one I have on the avatar. My children are not allowed online unsupervised. There seem to be rather a lot of children who are. I would think that would be a far more important issue to address.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Kristen
That is a good point Remy.
If it was a man and a woman it would be less offensive nobody can deny it. It's just I wouldn't want children seeing something like that.
I have nothing against gay people. I have gay friends and am disgusted by homophobia. People have a right to live their lives and they can not help this.

OMG,Im not even goin to justify that with any answer.
I mean OMG

[lily.]

I think my post pretty much said it all psy.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Stropz
I think my post pretty much said it all psy.

Love it LOL

[lily.]

Loving muh rainbow of many colours here too.. although methinks it might not be here for too long..

Thankies dah-lin..

[Emilee]

I love gays... not so much lesbians but whatever.

I dont see whats wrong with it at all. when on bb seany and jerry were kissing my mom was like OMG thats so disgusting!! Yuk!! I was just like whats wrong with it... theres nothing wrong.

I do think rasism and homophobic issues should be addressed the same.

[Bells]

Originally posted by Emilee
I do think rasism and homophobic issues should be addressed the same.

Yes, because both are discriminating against other people, which to me, and I'm sure to many others, is wrong full stop.

[csec]

Pointless post deleted. Kaz.

[Kaz]

Originally posted by Stropz
Loving muh rainbow of many colours here too.. although methinks it might not be here for too long..

Still there, Stropz. Just slightly edited. Remember, you're live on TiBB .... please do not swear!

[lily.]

Thanks Kaz.. I was guna edit it myself, but I figured I'd live up to my reputation and push the boundaries a wee bit first..

Cheers for letting it stay though.. you're a star!

[nodisharmony]

[i]Originally posted by Emilee[i]
I love gays... not so much lesbians but whatever.

It isn't really true that anyone can really say that they love all Gay people, as there are bad Gay people, just as there is good Gay people.

I would say, that if a Gay housemate is in BB & he seems very nice, like, "Gerry" for instance. That I won't look upon him any differently, as he is Gay. That part doesn't matter. Straight/Gay/Bi whatever... He is a housemate & that is it.

Again, I can't agree about your comment regarding "Lesbians" either.

If a housemate is a Lesbian housemate, I won't judge her on being that way either.

I dont see whats wrong with it at all. when on bb seany and jerry were kissing my mom was like OMG thats so disgusting!! Yuk!! I was just like whats wrong with it... theres nothing wrong.

It is probably because, it is unusual to see on BB, that's all...

Many do get offended by this and many have complained too. But, that won't make the blindest bit of difference.

A Gay housemate kissing another Gay housemate is allowed, so, opinions are just opinions....

Accept or switch the channel over.

I do think rasism and homophobic issues should be addressed the same.

That won't happen Emilee.

Racism is far more delicate and dangerous. Probably 90% more. It is the government which makes that so.





nodisharmony

[Sunny_01]

People are people regardless of their sexuality, we run the risk of labelling all gays as funny or camp etc... judge people for who they are not who they choose to love!

I hate labels when it comes to sexuality, I am married to a man simply because he is the person I fell in love with.

[Emilee]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

It isn't really true that anyone can really say that they love all Gay people, as there are bad Gay people, just as there is good Gay people.

I would say, that if a Gay housemate is in BB & he seems very nice, like, "Gerry" for instance. That I won't look upon him any differently, as he is Gay. That part doesn't matter. Straight/Gay/Bi whatever... He is a housemate & that is it.

Again, I can't agree about your comment regarding "Lesbians" either.

If a housemate is a Lesbian housemate, I won't judge her on being that way either.

It is probably because, it is unusual to see on BB, that's all...

Many do get offended by this and many have complained too. But, that won't make the blindest bit of difference.

A Gay housemate kissing another Gay housemate is allowed, so, opinions are just opinions....

Accept or switch the channel over.

That won't happen Emilee.

Racism is far more delicate and dangerous. Probably 90% more. It is the government which makes that so.





nodisharmony

Thanks for talking about my post it was interesting. XX

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Emilee

Thanks for talking about my post it was interesting. XX

No problem Emilee

We nearly agreed







nodisharmony

[Wiglet]

I like the intellectual challenge that goes with a debate like this and what a great thread this has become. It is a shame the xXetchieXx has decided to leave the debate for whatever reason because as I said before he probably speaks like a large proportion of the nation, (whether I and others like it or not.)

We can hope that pictures such as Stropz do not bring with them homophobic madness because you will find trolls on the net who will target you for your avatar. Personally I think it is a beautiful piece of artwork no matter what the content of the picture!

My cousin is gay . He's 23 and I am the only family member he has spoken to about it. He is terrified of rejection and what everyone will say. I suspect my extended family will accept him (or I hope most will?) but he has not even told his parents.

Doesn't this just show that there must be an undercurrent of fear or misunderstanding, (whatever the word is) within society? I don't think my family is any different to any others. Some people have an understanding and acceptance of homosexuality however not all.

[Bells]

Although I haven't noticed it myself, it doesn't surprise me so much that homophobia is about on TiBB, as generally speaking, it does exist quite a lot.

Even at my college... for ages we thought a close friend of mine was perhaps gay, but nobody said anything. Recently he's been going on lots of trips to nearby cities, and it turns out he has a boyfriend. He then confided in me and two other friends, telling us that he's most likely bisexual, although more gay than straight. However, because of the reaction he's been receiving from people despite them not even knowing the truth, he's afraid to admit anything and some other friends have simply resorted to speculating.

The problem is that gay people are still rather new in society; although it is becoming accepted a lot quicker, people just aren't open-minded enough to realise that people are entitled to making their own decisions, and it shouldn't make them any different.

[Wiglet]

Ash I think I understand what you are saying but do you mind if I re-word something?

"gay people are still rather new in society" Not quite correct, but I think what you mean is that coming out and saying you are gay is more of a new thing?

Acceptance by the general public as a whole is going to take many many decades. If we all as we grow older and go on to have families of our own; we then bring our offspring up to accept that being gay is fine then hopefully we will have a society that is the so called perfect one we all strive for - Alas you will always have bigots, racists and the like and we will NEVER be able to change some people.

[Bells]

Originally posted by wiglet
I think what you mean is that coming out and saying you are gay is more of a new thing?

Yes that's what I meant - thank you for re-wording it.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Ash
people just aren't open-minded enough to realise that people are entitled to making their own decisions, and it shouldn't make them any different.

Peados,Murderers,Thieves etc?????Do they not make thier own decisions?Are they any diffrent?Surley people can dislike a certain group without being phobic or ist.