[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

I would bet some money that at some point during the pandemic, a lot of Presidents/Prime Ministers in the world have said this kind of thing given the difficult situation and constant criticism of all policies.
Not saying this is an excuse or whatever but I can understand the context this may have been said.

100%, I think we have all cried **** covid at some point, and if we didn't then it would be a bit odd, our lives have been turned upside down

[Amy Jade]

Good for you. I'm happy you managed but others haven't through absolutely no fault of their own so making out that anyone who hasn't is lazy because 'you get what you give' is ignorant.

My and my boyfriend were saving to buy our first home together, before the pandemic we both worked - I as a home care assistant and he as a bar tender (at slug and lettuce) and in a gym and a side job as a personal trainer. As soon as lockdown hit he had absolutely no work at all, his contract in the bar was gone because it was 0 hours and he couldn't do any personal training so he was massively out of pocket, none of was his fault and he worked 6 - 7 days a week before. He hot a job picking for a supermarket straight away but obviously the wages were incredibly different. How was any of that his fault? What more would you have him do?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Good for you. I'm happy you managed but others haven't through absolutely no fault of their own so making out that anyone who hasn't is lazy because 'you get what you give' is ignorant.

My and my boyfriend were saving to buy our first home together, before the pandemic we both worked - I as a home care assistant and he as a bar tender (at slug and lettuce) and in a gym and a side job as a personal trainer. As soon as lockdown hit he had absolutely no work at all, his contract in the bar was gone because it was 0 hours and he couldn't do any personal training so he was massively out of pocket, none of was his fault and he worked 6 - 7 days a week before. He hot a job picking for a supermarket straight away but obviously the wages were incredibly different. How was any of that his fault? What more would you have him do?

He did what he needed..got off his arse and went out looking for another job..one he got easily.

His bar job should be easy enough for him to go back to as there is a shortage of bar staff now...his personal training should kick in again..


Did you work all the way through amy?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Good for you. I'm happy you managed but others haven't through absolutely no fault of their own so making out that anyone who hasn't is lazy because 'you get what you give' is ignorant.

My and my boyfriend were saving to buy our first home together, before the pandemic we both worked - I as a home care assistant and he as a bar tender (at slug and lettuce) and in a gym and a side job as a personal trainer. As soon as lockdown hit he had absolutely no work at all, his contract in the bar was gone because it was 0 hours and he couldn't do any personal training so he was massively out of pocket, none of was his fault and he worked 6 - 7 days a week before. He hot a job picking for a supermarket straight away but obviously the wages were incredibly different. How was any of that his fault? What more would you have him do?

Your boyfriend is an example of what Kaz says though...you get out what you put in. Your boyfriend was like many finding himself with a loss of income...but he went out and found himself some work enabling him to bring 'something' in rather than nothing. Its a work ethic...and a good work ethic..soon enough your boyfriend will be back to where he left off and earning better money but in the meantime he didnt sit on his backside feeling sorry for himself.
My son was the same...so he got himself a job with the NHS at the testing centre...13/14hr shifts but at least he was earning and topping up his savings and now he is in a new job.
Thats the point being made and its an admirable one.

[Amy Jade]

Not everyone can just up and get a new job as I said further up.

The girl who lost her business was a single mum, she was forced into lockdown on her own and lived alone with her son, should she leave him alone to go to work?

Yes I worked all the way through the pandemic, I had to have time off as I got covid but other than that. I am also volunteering currently as an Immuniser and go to my local leisure center to help out yet I now can't afford to move out because my boyfriend doesn't have a stable job still. So I think it sucks any of you would say I must not be doing enough because 'you get what you give' or this is my karma.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Not everyone can just up and get a new job as I said further up.

The girl who lost her business was a single mum, she was forced into lockdown on her own and lived alone with her son, should she leave him alone to go to work?

Yes I worked all the way through the pandemic, I had to have time off as I got covid but other than that. I am also volunteering currently as an Immuniser and go to my local leisure center to help out yet I now can't afford to move out because my boyfriend doesn't have a stable job still. So I think it sucks any of you would say I must not be doing enough because 'you get what you give' or this is my karma.

Maybe your friend should get a job working from home...there is plenty of homeworking out there and there are loads of people that have had to work whilst looking after their children.
My son and his girlfriend have had to put their move plans on hold like many others...its a pain and its disappointing but they are not moaning about it..a change of plan. Its not the end of the world and they have their health...

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Not everyone can just up and get a new job as I said further up.

The girl who lost her business was a single mum, she was forced into lockdown on her own and lived alone with her son, should she leave him alone to go to work?

Yes I worked all the way through the pandemic, I had to have time off as I got covid but other than that. I am also volunteering currently as an Immuniser and go to my local leisure center to help out yet I now can't afford to move out because my boyfriend doesn't have a stable job still. So I think it sucks any of you would say I must not be doing enough because 'you get what you give' or this is my karma.

Dare I ask what your friends plans for her son was when she started working in her new business?

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Dare I ask what your friends plans for her son was when she started working in her new business?

I'm not talking about it anymore as you reminded me so let's leave it.

[Niamh.]

Closed for Cleaning

[Niamh.]

Can you please stop getting personal with each other or I'll have to close the thread permanently

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sir Keir failed to pin Boris down today - the SNP chap did ask Boris if he was a liar but the Speaker rightly called that question out and Boris did not have to answer.

[Parmy]

Yes..of course dezzy..

The 80s didnt have the largest unemployment figures ever. We didnt have made up taxes like the poll tax forced upon us..milk wasnt taken out of schools..etc etc...yes, it was all very rosy when I was starting my working life!!!


NOT.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes..of course dezzy..

The 80s didnt have the largest unemployment figures ever. We didnt have made up taxes like the poll tax forced upon us..milk wasnt taken out of schools..etc etc...yes, it was all very rosy when I was starting my working life!!!


NOT.

A different tune to when you were praising Thatcher in another thread.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

A different tune to when you were praising Thatcher in another thread.

So what...that has nothing to do with this.

She had her plus sides and is probably one of our best pms.

[Glenn.]

Didn’t a conservative prime minister bring all that in though…

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Didn’t a conservative prime minister bring all that in though…

What's your point.?

[Tom4784]

Truth hurts, I guess.

Young people were able to buy houses in the 80's, they can't do that nearly as much now. The job market is more competitive now while the cost of living is ballooning and wages are not. Young people in the 80's had it better economy wise than young people do now.

People of older generations had it easy in that regard.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Truth hurts, I guess.

Young people were able to buy houses in the 80's, they can't do that nearly as much now. The job market is more competitive now while the cost of living is ballooning and wages are not. Young people in the 80's had it better economy wise than young people do now.

People of older generations had it easy in that regard.

It's not the truth, and even if it was it wouldnt hurt at all, that's just a silly thing to say dezzy...

I doubt you were even around in the 80s to experience what it was like..so I should just ignore your points on this tbh..

[Parmy]

There certainly wasnt family upon family having 2 holidays a year in the 80s...that's for sure.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

There certainly wasnt family upon family having 2 holidays a year in the 80s...that's for sure.

What do established families have to do with young people trying to get on the property ladder? **** all, that's what.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What do established families have to do with young people trying to get on the property ladder? **** all, that's what.

You are correct for once..it has nothing to do with that at all.

Which is probably the reason I didnt quote a comment about the property ladder when i posted my statement

[bots]

The 70's and early 80's had massive inflation, mass unemployment, general strikes etc etc etc ... sure life was much easier then

[Cherie]

You have help to buy now, part ownership, help to buy ISAs, and just announced this week mortgages with a 5% deposits, properties are still very affordable if you move out a little, obviously London is in its own bubble and probably Manchester, but commuter towns are generally affordable, there was nothing like that in the 90s just 16% interest rates

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You have help to buy now, part ownership, help to buy ISAs, and just announced this week mortgages with a 5% deposits, properties are still very affordable if you move out a little, obviously London is in its own bubble and probably Manchester, but commuter towns are generally affordable, there was nothing like that in the 90s just 16% interest rates

Then why aren't people buying homes as much as they were in previous decades? You make out that it's easier but the numbers don't lie, young people simply cannot afford to get on the property ladder as they could have in previous generations.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Then why aren't people buying homes as much as they were in previous decades? You make out that it's easier but the numbers don't lie, young people simply cannot afford to get on the property ladder as they could have in previous generations.

It's probably more to do with less young people forming partnerships, thus the need for a family home isn't as prevalent today.