[bots]

what are the chances of keir still being in place for the next ge? I would say pretty high, in which case, they have to work with what they have. This may be controversial, but with labour, even Keir's hands are tied. He could be in a position where he has policy thrust upon him that he doesnt agree with, or that he just doesnt want in there and yet he has to go in front of the camera and champion it. I dont really think labour has a leader in the traditional sense. He says he takes full responsibility when things go wrong, but he isn't responsible for policy, which I would say was fundamental to winning votes.

The other side of it, which he can control is communication. That certainly needs an overhaul as i've said before. He isn't a bad communicator, but my advice would be to concentrate on what labour bring to the table and leave it to voters to decide if they don't like Boris

[Beso]

Kiers needs to leave his phone number online so we can all connect with him.

[joeysteele]

Labour doesn't normally get rid of leaders quickly.
Kinnock had 2 elections given to him, after already 2 defeats.

I think Starmer unless he decides to make way, will be leader at the next general election.

Which is why he needs an eye catching key policy.
Such as PR.
Which I think would be a major attraction to voters.
Even moreso the new voters feeding in up to the next general election.

Other policies important too.
That would however I think unite the whole of the opposition Parties to a common aim.
With working together to get Johnson out in order to get it.

Only the Cons would really never adopt PR.
It's really my hope to try to persuade Labour members to push for this as policy at conference.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What other countries did is largely irrelevant, it doesn't change the fact that lives were lost when this government knew how bad things were gonna be way before they got bad and did nothing. It doesn't matter if other countries had the same failures, it doesn't change the fact that this government could have taken pre-emptive measures, and they did not.

You may accept mediocrity from the people running this country, but I do not. I have standards.

I don't give a **** about the EU's rollout, it's irrelevant to how we are doing, you're just engaging in endless distractions by making things out to be a competition and that our failures don't matter as long as we're winning and that's a grotesque thing to do. I'm sure everyone who has lost someone is so happy to know that we're doing better than other countries when it comes to vaccinations, I'm sure that makes their loss so much easier that people are treating this pandemic like a ****ing league table.

I care about lives being lost that could have been saved, I don't allow distractions for the easily pleased to take away from the fact that we handled this pandemic badly, that we should have done better and that it was down to the government being slow on the uptake.

Your last non-points just shows how little you understand of what I'm saying, as usual.

What happened in other countries is not largely irrelevant; their loved ones are no less special to them than ours are to us. A life lost is a life lost, no matter which country it is in.
Was the UK the only country in the world who ‘knew’ how bad it was going to get? How do you know they knew exactly how ‘bad’? Why did no European country leader, apart from one, or indeed most other world leaders, not act until March or even much much later? Yes, mistakes and bad decisions and tough choices were made, there always will be with such an unprecedented calamity, and leaders will make decisions based on something they have no prior knowledge of from the bevy of experts who do. At least our PM is presiding over a great success story now and not losing even more lives like the EU leaders.

Never mind, we’ll just insist Boris should have been the greatest from start to finish and gloss over the others because I hate him and this country.

Btw, if Corbyn had acted exactly as Boris did, I’d have felt exactly the same, though to be honest, I wouldn’t have bothered to post about it.

[arista]

Well many reports are saying, in the Queens Speech
in a min.

The Fixed Parliament to Go
so Johnson can have a Summer General Election
2023.


This giving Labour less time to sort out its internal battles.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I didn't say that, learn the basics of how to ****ing read before you shove such a vile sentiment down my throat.

Where did I say we should let more people die? I said that the vaccine efforts don't undo the damage that's been done by a sluggish government that was all too slow to act when all this began, when they knew in advance how bad things would be?

How the **** did you turn that into 'let more people die lol!'. I'm so ****ing tired of having to explain things multiple times to you because you can't tell the difference between what I actually wrote and the version you've just dreamt up in your head. Sort it the **** out, Jet.

Welcome to the club! Now you know what it feels like to have someone thinking they can read your mind and putting words into your mouth which you do all the time. Has that little lesson sorted you out Dezzy?

Anyway, we are never going to agree on this subject and people want to get back to the thread topic so I'm finished with this.

[Beso]

If the uk knew how bad it was going to get they wouldnt have had us all locked down spreading covid in our own homes at the start.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Well many reports are saying, in the Queens Speech
in a min.

The Fixed Parliament to Go
so Johnson can have a Summer General Election
2023.

I said he'd do this a while ago

He wants an election out the way before any final conclusions of a public inquiry into his pandemic chaos except for vaccination roll out.

So once that's up and running which will take possibly years in order to hear all the evidence from all concerned and aggrieved.

He would look at an earlier election yes.
Pure deceit but transparently so too.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I said he'd do this a while ago

He wants an election out the way before any final conclusions of a public inquiry into his pandemic chaos except for vaccination roll out.

So once that's up and running which will take possibly years in order to hear all the evidence from all concerned and aggrieved.

He would look at an earlier election yes.
Pure deceit but transparently so too.

Yes avoid them, he is planning just that.

[arista]

The Queen Is going Live with
the Conservative Party Speech is about to begin


LBC
SlyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
BBC1HD
Radio 5

[arista]

A Stronger United Kingdom
than before.


Extend 5G Gigabyte Broadband

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes avoid them, he is planning just that.

Which is why deceit has to be got round by cunning.

A policy to unite all opposition Parties to work together and possibly up to two thirds of voters.
That's one way.

So Labour need to think on that this year and next.
HOWEVER to be bold if it was to look at say PR.

Not promise a referendum, just bring it in for the election after next as manifesto policy.

PR is used in all Scottish, Irish, and Welsh elections.
Police and Crime commissioners.
Plus all Mayoral elections.

All brought in without referenda.

[arista]

[Inequality and conversion therapy plans explained

The government said "measures" will be
brought forward to address racial and ethnic disparities.

It also said it will move to ban conversion
therapy entirely, with new funding,
expected by this summer, to support victims.]

[arista]

New Plan for Immigration Legislation explained

[The government will put forward plans for
a "fairer immigration system" that also deters
criminals facilitating "dangerous and illegal journeys".

It will enable the government to
remove "those with no right to be here" more easily.]


https://news.sky.com/story/queens-sp...genda-12303219

[arista]

[National Insurance Contributions Bill explained

Eight new freeports are to be built to
create "hubs" for trade and to
regenerate communities, the government said.

Employers in freeports will get National Insurance contributions relief.

The relief will also be introduced for employers
of veterans and for the self-employed who
receive NHS Test and Trace payments.]

[arista]

[Social care proposals to come, but no bill for now

Analysis by Joe Pike, political correspondent

The Queen has set out that the government will
bring forward proposals to reform social care,
but that does not necessarily mean a legislative bill.

Don't forget, the prime minister promised
to ‘fix’ the social care crisis on his first day in office back in 2019.
The proposals are expected later this year.
The issue of funding is one of the central questions
they will need to address.]

[arista]

[arista]

[Queen's Speech: Immigration overhaul will block asylum for people
who have travelled through 'safe' countries such
as France and Belgium as ministers try to deter Channel crossings]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ns-Speech.html

[arista]

Covid-19 Has halted any Social Care Plans.




BBC2HD Politics Live

[arista]

Get a bigger Jacket
you fat sod

[Beso]

Hes actually not that fat tbh.

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Hes actually not that fat tbh.

Look you can tell that Jacket
is under stress.


He needs a Bigger Jacket
so he can do it up without his Fat Belly
pushing out

[arista]

SNP
Live in Westminster
Claim this Queen's Speech
has Nothing For Scotland.

BBC2HD Politics Live.

[arista]

We are Building Brand New Houses
without the New Green Design Power.

More to Convert?

Why not make them Modern.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Get a bigger Jacket
you fat sod

He doesn't compliment himself in his dress sense.
I mean honestly he is the leader of a Nation.
Nothing statesmanlike about him.

Old footage I've seen of Michael Foot from the early 80s in documentaries had him looking smarter than Johnson.
Yet the media called him scruffy all the time.