[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes LT


That so wrong
it is not for all ages.

[arista]

Originally Posted by arista

One lady Filming it

A clip of this wrong event
was on the One Hour
GBnewsHD Newspaper review


The Presenter
said "better make sure 5PM repeat of this,
does not have that video clip."

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Redway

I really, really doubt that’s what LT was really saying at all. And I’m sure Glenn knows that.

Indeed

Incidentally drag queens are not always part of the community ...they can also be straight men, at least that is how it used to be,

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Either you want to give parents, especially mothers, the right to be in control of what their children are exposed to, based on what they think is acceptable and appropriate for their own family and children, or you don’t, you can’t have it both ways, no matter how much you want to



Sex education is fine for the appropriate ages it’s at now, I do however believe that social studies at an appropriate level for different ages , would be incredibly beneficial for society as a whole in the long run, thanks for confirming that young children are not being taught about sex like the right wing media are trying to make people believe though

So what are hairy ogres in thongs doing at a pre-nursery and why are you defending these silly people?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don’t for a second believe that it’s entirely about what drag queens wear, a queen could come out in a kaftan and balaclava and people would still find issues with it, it’s fully about not wanting drag queens to be accepted and integrated into general society and attempting to smear an entire demographic as something unsavoury and worthy of being hidden away

I find this one genuinely confusing I have to say. Loosely, I don't think there's anything wrong with drag. Some of it veers quite clearly into an uncomfortable level of misogyny BUT at it's core... it's an act, it's entertainment, and not everyone has to like or agree with a form of entertainment for it to be acceptable. In that sense, there's no issue with drag.

What's confusing me here is... drag, surely, IS just an activity? It's always been the case that drag is traditionally men (usually gay men) caricaturing/playing women in a very exaggerated and hyperbolic way. Sometimes sexualised, sometimes not, but that's not massively relevant in adult entertainment so whatever. My point is that it's an act, like being a singer or a comedian. It has little (if anything) to do with trans and TRADITIONALLY was not about gender identity - most drag queens have been quite clear on being gay males. Drag is something one does, not something one is.

So where does "accepted and integrated into general society" come into it? Being a drag queen isn't an "identity"? Have you ever heard someone talk about being "accepted and integrated" as a comedian, actor or singer?

If it's gone that way it's very recent and clearly all wrapped up in the also-very-recent obsession with "group identity" that's plaguing every corner of sociology.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I find this one genuinely confusing I have to say. Loosely, I don't think there's anything wrong with drag. Some of it veers quite clearly into an uncomfortable level of misogyny BUT at it's core... it's an act, it's entertainment, and not everyone has to like or agree with a form of entertainment for it to be acceptable. In that sense, there's no issue with drag.

What's confusing me here is... drag, surely, IS just an activity? It's always been the case that drag is traditionally men (usually gay men) caricaturing/playing women in a very exaggerated and hyperbolic way. Sometimes sexualised, sometimes not, but that's not massively relevant in adult entertainment so whatever. My point is that it's an act, like being a singer or a comedian. It has little (if anything) to do with trans and TRADITIONALLY was not about gender identity - most drag queens have been quite clear on being gay males. Drag is something one does, not something one is.

So where does "accepted and integrated into general society" come into it? Being a drag queen isn't an "identity"? Have you ever heard someone talk about being "accepted and integrated" as a comedian, actor or singer?

If it's gone that way it's very recent and clearly all wrapped up in the also-very-recent obsession with "group identity" that's plaguing every corner of sociology.

Even Rupaul came out and said something to that effect originally but he had to back track when the mob came for him

https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/3/6...ew-controversy

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Even Rupaul came out and said something to that effect originally but he had to back track when the mob came for him

https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/3/6...ew-controversy

I feel bad for RuPaul ... he was quite clear on what HIS drag race was about, almost got "cancelled" for it, backtracked, had a trans woman (previous drag queen) on the show doing drag, who quite predictably ended up being like "Uhh actually this isn't for me any more, it feels like caricaturing and is making me very uncomfortable" showing that RuPaul was right all along . It was a disaster and the show hasn't been the same since all of this.

I actually find that traditional drag if you take it right back to the core, which is clearly RuPaul's thoughts on it, is that it's really about satiring and pointing out the absurdity of gender and gender norms as a concept. It's one of the major sticking points of gender ideology, because it's completely AT ODDS with identifying as trans. It's really not possible to justify life-and-health-altering sex reassignment surgeries whilst also accepting the meaninglessness of gender norms... the philosophies are not compatible. It should be an ideological battleground but the blinkers are firmly in place for the sake of allyship.

[smudgie]

Poor sad women, dragging their babies with them to get their jollies.
Find a ruddy babysitter and stop hiding behind your babies.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Poor sad women, dragging their babies with them to get their jollies.
Find a ruddy babysitter and stop hiding behind your babies.

You may well have a point given that babies apparently understand and take in far more than we ever imagined at a very early age


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[Livia]

Taking the kids into town later... There's a stripper on at the Boilermaker's Arms. Wouldn't want them to miss it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Taking the kids into town later... There's a stripper on at the Boilermaker's Arms. Wouldn't want them to miss it.

Don’t forget to let them watch the Texas Chainsaw massacre at the weekend

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I find this one genuinely confusing I have to say. Loosely, I don't think there's anything wrong with drag. Some of it veers quite clearly into an uncomfortable level of misogyny BUT at it's core... it's an act, it's entertainment, and not everyone has to like or agree with a form of entertainment for it to be acceptable. In that sense, there's no issue with drag.

What's confusing me here is... drag, surely, IS just an activity? It's always been the case that drag is traditionally men (usually gay men) caricaturing/playing women in a very exaggerated and hyperbolic way. Sometimes sexualised, sometimes not, but that's not massively relevant in adult entertainment so whatever. My point is that it's an act, like being a singer or a comedian. It has little (if anything) to do with trans and TRADITIONALLY was not about gender identity - most drag queens have been quite clear on being gay males. Drag is something one does, not something one is.

So where does "accepted and integrated into general society" come into it? Being a drag queen isn't an "identity"? Have you ever heard someone talk about being "accepted and integrated" as a comedian, actor or singer?

If it's gone that way it's very recent and clearly all wrapped up in the also-very-recent obsession with "group identity" that's plaguing every corner of sociology.

Yes

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Don’t forget to let them watch the Texas Chainsaw massacre at the weekend

God that one scene in the 2003 version would scar a child for life.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Crimson Dynamo]

[user104658]

I swear this thread alone is a sad microcosm of the mechanisms at play all across the western world at the moment. Really troubling - where is the balance? I mean it is here in places but what, maybe 20% of the thread... and I think that's a pretty accurate reflection. A tragic cycle of misrepresentation, press hyperbole, alienation, defensiveness and emboldening.

I don't think any of this is going to end well at all. For anyone but a very, very select few. I really do increasingly get the impression we're being played like fiddles, by people who look at us like we're ants.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BTW that pervert trans man teacher in Canada has FINALLY been suspended

as he was seen at weekends dressed in mens clothing




Once again, if you pander to a delusion then expect to get played

embarrassing

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

BTW that pervert trans man teacher in Canada has FINALLY been suspended

as he was seen at weekends dressed in mens clothing




Once again, if you pander to a delusion then expect to get played

embarrassing

Doesn't that psycho have his own thread? Trans isn't the same as drag, amd Canada isn't England.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Doesn't that psycho have his own thread? Trans isn't the same as drag, amd Canada isn't England.

it did but have you ever used the search function on Tibb??

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I swear this thread alone is a sad microcosm of the mechanisms at play all across the western world at the moment. Really troubling - where is the balance? I mean it is here in places but what, maybe 20% of the thread... and I think that's a pretty accurate reflection. A tragic cycle of misrepresentation, press hyperbole, alienation, defensiveness and emboldening.

I don't think any of this is going to end well at all. For anyone but a very, very select few. I really do increasingly get the impression we're being played like fiddles, by people who look at us like we're ants.

FAO alf.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

BTW that pervert trans man teacher in Canada has FINALLY been suspended

as he was seen at weekends dressed in mens clothing




Once again, if you pander to a delusion then expect to get played

embarrassing

What's Transgender stuff got to do with Drag performers though?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

What's Transgender stuff got to do with Drag performers though?

They're both men pretending to be women and seem to strive to exhibit the very worst traits of real women.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

What's Transgender stuff got to do with Drag performers though?

I dont know Mock maybe ask these people?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Livia

They're both men pretending to be women and seem to strive to exhibit the very worst traits of real women.

As much as I agree with that statement there is one I can think off that makes me think there are a few exceptions.

Imo, this is one strong women in this video.

Youtube video

[Beso]

Youtube video