[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He said himself. Was recently on rehab, but must have relapsed.

that was drugs tho?

[Kate!]

Very very poignant in light of what's happened.

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[Gusto Brunt]

I was never a fan of the band but I ackowledge the massive impact their music and them as people had on the whole world.

Liam's death is beyond tragic. He had everything. Talent, looks, youth.

RIP.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I was never a fan of the band but I ackowledge the massive impact their music and them as people had on the whole world.

Liam's death is beyond tragic. He had everything. Talent, looks, youth.

RIP.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I was never a fan of the band but I ackowledge the massive impact their music and them as people had on the whole world.

Liam's death is beyond tragic. He had everything. Talent, looks, youth.

RIP.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Liam's death is beyond tragic. He had everything. Talent, looks, youth.

But that's not "everything" or rather - as we see time and time again - ultimately it's not anything at all.

Beyond subsistence (a good home you like to be in, being warm and fed) and preferably having the resources to not have to live with too much stress to achieve that, all that actually matters is meaningful human connection with others, and some sense of purposeful existence (or failing that, being comfortable with one non-purposeful ideology or other).

If you don't have those two things, the rest of it is wallpaper. And that can be wallpaper on a crumbling building.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

But that's not "everything" or rather - as we see time and time again - ultimately it's not anything at all.

Beyond subsistence (a good home you like to be in, being warm and fed) and preferably having the resources to not have to live with too much stress to achieve that, all that actually matters is meaningful human connection with others, and some sense of purposeful existence (or failing that, being comfortable with one non-purposeful ideology or other).

If you don't have those two things, the rest of it is wallpaper. And that can be wallpaper on a crumbling building.

Great analogy.

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

But that's not "everything" or rather - as we see time and time again - ultimately it's not anything at all.

Beyond subsistence (a good home you like to be in, being warm and fed) and preferably having the resources to not have to live with too much stress to achieve that, all that actually matters is meaningful human connection with others, and some sense of purposeful existence (or failing that, being comfortable with one non-purposeful ideology or other).

If you don't have those two things, the rest of it is wallpaper. And that can be wallpaper on a crumbling building.

Yes I heard it was a possible suicide or maybe a drunken drugged-up stumble. We'll never know unless he left a suicide note.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Yes I heard it was a possible suicide or maybe a drunken drugged-up stumble. We'll never know unless he left a suicide note.

He didn't want to be here regardless of which one it is and that's terribly sad.

Clobazam was found in his hotel room.

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

He didn't want to be here regardless of which one it is and that's terribly sad.

Clobazam was found in his hotel room. One of the strongest benzodiazapemes.

Have you seen a video I think he posted on TikTok )cpuld have been another social media)? In it he looks very happy and is chatting to his girlfriend (who's in the background). Both were joking about staying in bed till midday.

This apparently recorded a few days ago.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think she is David Cassidy's daughter

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...h-aged-31.html

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

I think she is David Cassidy's daughter

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...h-aged-31.html

no she isn't?

David's daughter is Katie Cassidy, an actress

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Cassidy



this is Kate Cassidy, just an influencer

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

no she isn't?

David's daughter is Katie Cassidy, an actress

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Cassidy



this is Kate Cassidy, just an gold digger

ah ok, thankyou

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maya Henry, his former girlfriend, had made headlines with a TikTok video on Oct 6 accusing him of “disgusting” behaviour and claiming he had harassed her and her mother with repeated phone calls and messages. She reportedly issued legal proceedings against him last week, which sources said contributed to Payne feeling “extremely overwhelmed”.

In the video, she claimed that Payne had been “weaponising” his fans against her on social media and warned that there was “a lot more of this story so… stay tuned.”

Henry said: “You weaponise your own fan base. People are always saying, ‘oh, she just wants money’… I don’t need money.”


DT

[Abra]

Very sad news. He had obviously been struggling for a few years but I had hoped things would get better for him. RIP Liam, thoughts are with his loved ones.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The lyrics to his last song that did not chart again (seemingly written to his ex and going by her recent lengthy tiktok about him id say so) in light of his suicide are rather sinister now

Youtube video

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

The lyrics to his last song that did not chart again (seemingly written to his ex and going by her recent lengthy tiktok about him id say so) in light of his suicide are rather sinister now

Youtube video

yes, sadly his career wasn't blossoming anymore unlike fellow ex bandmates Harry Styles, Niall Horan, Zayn Malik their work

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes, sadly his career wasn't blossoming anymore unlike fellow ex bandmates Harry Styles, Niall Horan, Zayn Malik their work

He was the "Gary Barlow" of the group unfortunately - a huge part of One Direction but ultimately didn't have the same solo potential as the others. He said in an interview that Simon Cowell built One Direction around him, which is probably true - it sounds like ego from him, but genuinely I think Simon Cowell (as a cynical music mogul) knew fine well that he didn't have the charisma to carry it alone. As opposed to, say, Harry Styles, who isn't particularly musically talented - but runs on pure charisma, which is what carried him through from day 1 on X factor, and exactly what a solo act needs. i.e. "Robbie Williams".

Unfortunately when the group then inevitably splits that's never going to be a good outcome for that person.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

He was the "Gary Barlow" of the group unfortunately - a huge part of One Direction but ultimately didn't have the same solo potential as the others. He said in an interview that Simon Cowell built One Direction around him, which is probably true - it sounds like ego from him, but genuinely I think Simon Cowell (as a cynical music mogul) knew fine well that he didn't have the charisma to carry it alone. As opposed to, say, Harry Styles, who isn't particularly musically talented - but runs on pure charisma, which is what carried him through from day 1 on X factor, and exactly what a solo act needs. i.e. "Robbie Williams".

Unfortunately when the group then inevitably splits that's never going to be a good outcome for that person.

I was actually most surprised by Niall making it as a solo artist, I always thought he was the least talented of the group but his solo stuff is pretty good

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I was actually most surprised by Niall making it as a solo artist, I always thought he was the least talented of the group but his solo stuff is pretty good

Middle Girl CD just saw him this year and loved it

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I was actually most surprised by Niall making it as a solo artist, I always thought he was the least talented of the group but his solo stuff is pretty good

Yeah his own music is good, he was also GREAT as a coach on The Voice USA

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

He was the "Gary Barlow" of the group unfortunately - a huge part of One Direction but ultimately didn't have the same solo potential as the others. He said in an interview that Simon Cowell built One Direction around him, which is probably true - it sounds like ego from him, but genuinely I think Simon Cowell (as a cynical music mogul) knew fine well that he didn't have the charisma to carry it alone. As opposed to, say, Harry Styles, who isn't particularly musically talented - but runs on pure charisma, which is what carried him through from day 1 on X factor, and exactly what a solo act needs. i.e. "Robbie Williams".

Unfortunately when the group then inevitably splits that's never going to be a good outcome for that person.

I recall Simon Cowell once saying that Harry Styles had the best voice and personality.. the jewel in the crown so to speak BUT Liam was the level headed , sensible and grounded one


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

The lyrics to his last song that did not chart again (seemingly written to his ex and going by her recent lengthy tiktok about him id say so) in light of his suicide are rather sinister now

Youtube video

You can't give another person the love they need and deserve if you don't like and understand yourself. Late 20's into early 30's is a rough time in terms of that. I feel bad for the guy he clearly had no grasp on his life at all and it completely got away from him, and of course others were drawn into that chaos with him.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

You can't give another person the love they need and deserve if you don't like and understand yourself. Late 20's into early 30's is a rough time in terms of that. I feel bad for the guy he clearly had no grasp on his life at all and it completely got away from him, and of course others were drawn into that chaos with him.

Yeah especially when your fame peaked ten years ago. On the one hand you'll never be as successful as you were then but you're also still famous enough that you'll never lead a 'normal' life either

[Crimson Dynamo]

I guess all the time he was wondering if they liked him or liked who he was