[arista]

The 12-year-old boy's Mother did not return
from Ibiza to yesterday's court hearing.

The Judge should Charge the Lad

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/202...ring-for-ibiza

[arista]

Originally Posted by arista

The 12-year-old boy's Mother did not return
from Ibiza to yesterday's court hearing.

The Judge should Charge the Lad

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/202...ring-for-ibiza

Update:

[12-year-old boy, who hit the headlines
because his mother chose to fly to Ibiza
for a holiday the day before
he was due in court.

District Judge Joanne Hirst ordered her
to appear at Manchester Magistrates’ Court after
her sunshine break,
where she ordered her to pay £1,200 compensation
and go on a parenting course.]



[The boy was given a 12-month referral
order after admitting two counts of violent disorder,
a measure designed to prevent
him committing further crimes.

“Sometimes the state, I’m afraid, has to intervene,”
Mr Parkinson said.

“And the consequence of an intervention like
the 12-year-old is a referral order,
which would then mean that rehabilitation can
take place and we can divert them from
the path of criminality.
“That’s the objective with youngsters,
not to criminalise them, it’s to put them on the right path.

“We have people who are specially trained around
youth work, because it’s important we do make
the right decisions.”]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Update:

12-year-old boy, who hit the headlines
because his mother chose to fly to Ibiza
for a holiday the day before
he was due in court.

Was the 12 year old a concerned parent?

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Was the 12 year old a concerned parent?

No his uncle was with him the first time,

His Mother has got a Mega fine


The Kid walks free

[Christmas Dynasnow]

08.58 on....




the MSM doing the work of the we all know who...

and now we get today's info...


you could not make it up

Thank goodness we have people like Nigel

Youtube video

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Jonathan Hall is right. A lack of swift clarity on the facts on the ground is a
dereliction of duty



By MP Nigel Farage

Six weeks on from the Southport attack in which three children were killed and a further eight were injured, along with two adults, sense is beginning to prevail. Jonathan Hall KC, the independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, gave a speech at a conference organised by the Counter Extremism Group think tank. In it, he spoke out against the danger of an “information vacuum” following such an atrocity.

Hall said: “One of the problems and the consequences of the Southport attack was that there was an information gap, a vacuum, which was filled with false speculation”. He added: “I personally think that more information could have been put out safely without comprising potential criminal proceedings”.

In taking this position, he was joined by another eminent lawyer, Lord Carlile of Berriew, who is a former independent reviewer of terrorism legislation. Carlile said “I think we should get out more information if we possibly can. We have learned from these events that when somebody is arrested, and there was a potential issue like this arising, the police probably need to tell the media who has been arrested and what their background is.”

I have no doubt that millions of others in Britain would agree with the common sense approach of Hall and Carlile. I know that I do, which is why I posted a video the day after the attack which was very much aligned with their opinion. It is worth repeating what I said in it, for as a result of it, I have been blamed personally for the riots which followed.

Having expressed my horror at what had happened, I noted that Sir Keir Starmer was heckled when he visited the town. I then said: “It shows you how unhappy the public are with the state of law and order in our country. I have to say there are one or two questions. Was this guy being monitored by the security services? Some reports say he was, others are less sure. The police say it’s a non-terror incident, just as they said the stabbing of an Army Lieutenant Colonel in uniform on the streets of Kent the other day was a non-terror incident.

I just wonder whether the truth is being withheld from us. I don’t know the answer to that, but I think it is a fair and legitimate question.” I also spoke with Valdo Calocane in mind. He killed three people in Nottingham in June 2023. It later came to light that he had a history of mental illness and was known to the authorities. Only last month it emerged that a doctor warned three years before the attacks that Calocane’s illness was so acute he could “end up killing someone.”

As a result of misinformation about the Southport attacker that appeared online – which had nothing to do with me – the riots there spread to other parts of the country.

In no way did I – or do I – condone that mindless thuggery. But children had been massacred. Members of the public were angry and fearful. As Lord Carlile has said, institutions had a responsibility to provide some details about the attacker in order to counter the internet rumours that helped to trigger the violence. This information could have been released in a way that did not compromise any future criminal trial.

Instead, the public was kept in the dark. So was every media outlet. The only facts that anybody officially had to go on came via the bland statement (which has never been updated) put out by Merseyside Police on the evening of the attack, in which the force said a 17-year-old male who was born in Cardiff had been arrested. Three days after the attack, on 1 August, the suspect was named publicly for the first time as Axel Muganwa Rudakubana, after a judge at Liverpool Crown Court lifted reporting restrictions. But doesn’t this lack of swift clarity now look like a major dereliction of duty?

Incredibly, as the riots took hold, many prominent individuals in politics and the media chose to leap on the fact that I had asked those perfectly legitimate questions in my video. In doing so, they set up a ludicrous narrative which blamed me personally for inciting the disorder.

But with two legal experts now implying that the type of information which I asked about should have been forthcoming straight away, I wonder what Tom Tugendhat, James O’Brien, Trevor Phillips and the others who criticised me think now. Or do they disagree with the assessment of Hall and Carlile?

My view is that Sir Keir Starmer – who, as he never tires of telling us, was the tough guy Director of Public Prosecutions for five years - bears a heavy responsibility for not ensuring that some authority was candid with the public at the earliest opportunity. For one thing, the information vacuum that had been created could have been filled by it being made clear that the perpetrator was not a Muslim, as had been rumoured online. Instead, nothing was added to that bland police statement. Starmer did make a speech from Downing Street about what had gone on in Southport, but he merely warned people not to prejudice the forthcoming prosecution.

Does he really think the public didn’t have a right to know more about a crime like this? Is that a healthy state of affairs? Isn’t it the case that the active decision to keep the facts about the Southport killer from the public inflamed tensions?

The boot is on the other foot now. The refusal to brief the media in a sensible way about the Southport attacker was an unforgivable mistake. Even Lord Carlile – a friend of Sir Keir Starmer – thinks so.

For this reason it is absolutely necessary that Starmer is forced to explain why he thought it was a good idea for key information about the Southport attack to be withheld from the public. I, for one, will be doing my best to hold him to account on this.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...deserve-truth/

[arista]

The 14-year-old, who was on the Riot
was marched to the police station by his parents,
is sent home to them?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa...ents--DPP.html

[Christmas Dynasnow]

60 days now and we have been told zero about motive etc why children were stabbed

5 weeks and the vermin men who attacked policewomen at Manchester airport have not been charged


do you ever wonder why?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

60 days now and we have been told zero about motive etc why children were stabbed

5 weeks and the vermin men who attacked policewomen at Manchester airport have not been charged


do you ever wonder why?

Is it something to do with brown people getting preferential treatment and honkys being regarded as 55th class citizens?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Is it something to do with brown people getting preferential treatment and honkys being regarded as 55th class citizens?

put the culture war aside son

children died

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

put the culture war aside son

children died

Do you honestly have no concept of the fact you're actually the one doing constant culture war stuff? C'mon; there's no way you can't see it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

put the culture war aside son

children died

Using the deaths of children as ammo in a culture war and then accusing other people of not putting a culture war aside to focus on the deaths of the same children. Absolute fking clown, this place really is genuinely unusable these days. Mind-boggling. .

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Using the deaths of children as ammo in a culture war and then accusing other people of not putting a culture war aside to focus on the deaths of the same children. Absolute fking clown, this place really is genuinely unusable these days. Mind-boggling. .

You are describing what starmer did.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

60 days now and we have been told zero about motive etc why children were stabbed

5 weeks and the vermin men who attacked policewomen at Manchester airport have not been charged


do you ever wonder why?

For the same reason the Rochdale rapists continued for sooooo long.

[Parmy]

4 leeds rioters sentenced to 30 years between them..MUST SERVE HALF SENTENCE BEFORE LET OUT ON LICENCE. 3 get nine years, 1 gets 3.

https://youtu.be/n-O1m2NiP0c?si=XshKhTzMtytCuSdE

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Beso

4 leeds rioters sentenced to 30 years between them..MUST SERVE HALF SENTENCE BEFORE LET OUT ON LICENCE. 3 get nine years, 1 gets 3.

https://youtu.be/n-O1m2NiP0c?si=XshKhTzMtytCuSdE

I'm guessing they caused a lot of criminal damage, and/or injured a lot of people?

[The Slim Reaper]

More likely that they were just concerned.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm guessing they caused a lot of criminal damage, and/or injured a lot of people?

Yes..they set a bus on fire, and fuelled the flames with rubbish bins. Nobody was injured though, and the police had already fled the scene.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Yes..they set a bus on fire, and fuelled the flames with rubbish bins. Nobody was injured though, and the police had already fled the scene.

So arson then, for which a quick google says 8 - 12 years is not uncommon. sounds like the sentencing was about right.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

So arson then, for which a quick google says 8 - 12 years is not uncommon. sounds like the sentencing was about right.

They should have got the full 12 because they didn't really have a reason to riot.

[arista]

In Finland
BBC reporter
confronts Neo-Nazi who gave
UK rioters arson tips

Video on this link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8l9gpp8yro


[The BBC has confronted a neo-Nazi in Finland
who shared online instructions on how
to commit arson with UK rioters
during the summer.

The 20-year-old was an administrator
in the Southport Wake Up group on the
Telegram messaging app, where he was known as
“Mr AG”. He posted the arson manual,
which was pinned to the top of the group chat.

In late July and early August, the group was key
in helping to organise and provoke protests
that turned to violence in England and
Northern Ireland.

We tracked Mr AG - whose real name is
Charles-Emmanuel Mikko Rasanen - to an apartment
on the outskirts of the Finnish capital, Helsinki.

It was from here, more than 1,000 miles
away from Southport, that the neo-Nazi
took a prominent online role during the UK riots.]

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Did they charge the 2 blokes who set fire to the bus in Leeds?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Did they charge the 2 blokes who set fire to the bus in Leeds?

Yes, that's who I'm talking about..4 of them got 30 years between them..

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[The Daily Express leads with an interview
with a 13-year-old girl who was sentenced for
violent disorder after taking part
in a riot this summer.]

[user104658]

I sort of agree that if it was just destruction of property/vandalism etc then a criminal record at 13 is harsh, kids that age have no real concept of these consequences.

That said - if it's more than that and she physically harmed/assaulted anyone then criminal record is warranted.