[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Spoiler:

That poor bugger is aging terribly.

[Cherie]

oll suggests slump in trust in AstraZeneca vaccine

Meanwhile, a new poll suggests that trust in the vaccine in many European countries has plunged following controversy around the jab in recent weeks.

The survey by British pollsters YouGov carried out in the week to 18 March found a majority of people in the largest European Union member states, including Germany, France, Spain, and Italy, now see the inoculation as unsafe.

However, views towards the AstraZeneca jab remain overwhelmingly positive in Britain, where two-thirds of respondents said it is safe, compared with just 9% believing it is not.

Earlier this month several EU countries, including Ireland, suspended its use, pending a review by the European Medicines Agency (EMA) after dozens of isolated cases of blood clots and brain haemorrhages.

The EMA last week declared the AstraZeneca jab "safe and effective", with the World Health Organization and the UK's medicines regulator issuing similar endorsements.

That led European countries to resume administering the vaccine, but not before severely damaging confidence in it.

In its survey, YouGov found 55% of Germans now say the vaccine is unsafe, a 15-point rise in a month, compared with 32% viewing it as safe.

In already more vaccine-hesitant France, 61% of respondents said it was unsafe, while Italy and Spain both saw a 27-point monthly jump in the number of people saying they did not trust the jab.

No similar increases in safety fears were seen for rival vaccines by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, YouGov said.

The pollsters interviewed 2,024 Germans, and around 1,000 adults in each of the other countries.

RTE.ie

looks like Sputnik it is then

[user104658]

These countries have shot themselves in the foot even when supply/demand is no longer an issue... the other vaccines are literally 10x - 20x more expensive per dose . Not that money should be the concern obviously, but still.

Even I have to admit that damage was done, I was hoping it wouldn't be AZ when I got mine (last week before it had really been confirmed whether or not these links were valid) and had a bit of an anxiety spike for a second "in the hotseat" so to speak . Luckily as a wise and logical person I can (usually) convince myself to be rational, but I can imagine a lot of lesserfolks just not turning up to appointments.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

These countries have shot themselves in the foot even when supply/demand is no longer an issue... the other vaccines are literally 10x - 20x more expensive per dose . Not that money should be the concern obviously, but still.

Even I have to admit that damage was done, I was hoping it wouldn't be AZ when I got mine (last week before it had really been confirmed whether or not these links were valid) and had a bit of an anxiety spike for a second "in the hotseat" so to speak . Luckily as a wise and logical person I can (usually) convince myself to be rational, but I can imagine a lot of lesserfolks just not turning up to appointments.

If the US approve the vaccine, things could get even trickier

[bots]

the AZ vaccine will be used around the world in huge numbers, so AZ couldnt give a toss about the EU in all honesty. What has been made clear is that the EU cannot be relied on in a tight spot, and that is best to know sooner rather than later. Also, if the infection rates spike the way I think they will across europe, the people are going to be mightily pissed off that they are dying due to the EU's incompetence

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the AZ vaccine will be used around the world in huge numbers, so AZ couldnt give a toss about the EU in all honesty. What has been made clear is that the EU cannot be relied on in a tight spot, and that is best to know sooner rather than later. Also, if the infection rates spike the way I think they will across europe, the people are going to be mightily pissed off that they are dying due to the EU's incompetence

It's a PR nightmare for the EU at a critical time (when there were already growing -exit movements in many member states pre-covid), that much is sure.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a PR nightmare for the EU at a critical time (when there were already growing -exit movements in many member states pre-covid), that much is sure.

people can criticise Mr Trump for a lot, but the warp speed program was a raging success and Biden is soaking up the benefit of that now. Compare that to the EU

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people can criticise Mr Trump for a lot, but the warp speed program was a raging success and Biden is soaking up the benefit of that now. Compare that to the EU

I actually didn't know (until Mr Google told me just now) that Oxford AZ actually got significant funding from Warp Speed. I knew that Pfizer actually didn't get funding from it. Also interesting that the company got the most funding (GlaxoSmithKline) actually failed to make an effective vaccine . They used a different vaccine technology and it seems it just didn't really work. Wups lol.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually didn't know (until Mr Google told me just now) that Oxford AZ actually got significant funding from Warp Speed. I knew that Pfizer actually didn't get funding from it. Also interesting that the company got the most funding (GlaxoSmithKline) actually failed to make an effective vaccine . They used a different vaccine technology and it seems it just didn't really work. Wups lol.

the point being that the EU had the resources available to get production plants upgraded and ready to produce and distribute vaccine, but they were too busy removing fluff from their navels

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the point being that the EU had the resources available to get production plants upgraded and ready to produce and distribute vaccine, but they were too busy removing fluff from their navels

no, it doesn't work like that

vaccinating people is really difficult

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

it will give you blood clots though


what do these uneducated oxford idiots know

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it will give you blood clots though


what do these uneducated oxford idiots know

I think they know quite a lot

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I think they know quite a lot

in terms of honesty, fairness


eu countries who are lagging are Netherlands, Italy, France in terms of vaccinations


Germany already done 6.4 million, Merkel mentioned in her speech regarding new stricter lockdown measures yesterday also they still need to up the speed of their rollout (CureVac incoming of course, and also a deal with Russia on Sputnik being worked out as we speak so the german public can have two alternate options to AZ since they have no faith in it anymore, maybe they can send their AZ doses to Czech Republic since they had earlier announced eager to help out there)


but i see on a graphic, Germany still miles ahead of the EU in general in terms of vaccinations

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

in terms of honesty, fairness


eu countries who are lagging are Netherlands, Italy, France in terms of vaccinations


Germany already done 6.4 million, Merkel mentioned in her speech regarding new stricter lockdown measures yesterday also they still need to up the speed of their rollout (CureVac incoming of course, and also a deal with Russia on Sputnik being worked out as we speak so the german public can have two alternate options to AZ since they have no faith in it anymore, maybe they can send their AZ doses to Czech Republic since they had earlier announced eager to help out there)


but i see on a graphic, Germany still miles ahead of the EU in general in terms of vaccinations

What do they have the EMA for if they are going to take no notice, as I understand it Sputnik has not been approved by the EMA but Germany are going to use it... mess!

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What do they have the EMA for if they are going to take no notice, as I understand it Sputnik has not been approved by the EMA but Germany are going to use it... mess!

yeah so, who cares about EMA

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yeah so, who cares about EMA

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Nobody obviously...so they need to be got rid of what's the point of these scientists that no one listens to when they can have Macron male a decision based on nothing other than spite, 897 jobs gone in one fell swoop

https://europa.eu/european-union/abo...gencies/ema_en

[Nicky91]

UK handled everything so well, no covid deaths at all either

[bots]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

UK handled everything so well, no covid deaths at all either

quit with the sarcasm Nicky, too many people on this forum have been personally affected by covid. Also quit with the constant slagging off of the vaccine that most people on this forum have chosen to take. You are not helping

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

quit with the sarcasm Nicky, too many people on this forum have been personally affected by covid. Also quit with the constant slagging off of the vaccine that most people on this forum have chosen to take. You are not helping

To be fair to Nicky I think he's just a bit frustrated and confused because a lot of the info he's getting at home is completely at odds with what he's hearing on here.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it will give you blood clots though


what do these uneducated oxford idiots know

No
those people were going to have blood clots anyway.


Hence, the EU leaders saying use AZ

[Vanessa]

The EU has really shot themselves on the foot.
By stopping the vaccination programme they caused a third wave.
While here in the UK we're on our way out because we keep vaccinating.
I don't even care if I can't go abroad this year, I just want some normality back.