[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Probs will be that he can't save her without "killing" himself, which he obvz will do, hence regeneration.

I'm also totally convinced that Missy is going to kill the Simmster who will then regenerate into... Missy. And there being two Missys at the same time will cause some sort of paradox, and to resolve that paradox, they'll have to wipe new-Missy's memory of the entire thing, hence current-Missy not remembering any of it.

Watch this space

Two Michelle Gomez's.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Probs will be that he can't save her without "killing" himself, which he obvz will do, hence regeneration.

Maybe he'll donate one of his two hearts :O

[Lostie!]

Is Pearl actually leaving at the end of the series or is that not known yet? Because I remember there being some chatter about her just being around for one series before it even began airing.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Is Pearl actually leaving at the end of the series or is that not known yet? Because I remember there being some chatter about her just being around for one series before it even began airing.

I think everyone started assuming because it was Moffat' s last series and everyone assumed Chibnall would have a clean slate like in 2010.

But Pearl Mackie said, without confirming anything, that she has had a meeting with Chris Chibnall. So whether that's just trying to keep pretences I don't know.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But Pearl Mackie said, without confirming anything, that she has had a meeting with Chris Chibnall. So whether that's just trying to keep pretences I don't know.

In the Graham Norton interview? She said she met him, not had an actual meeting. She could have met him while one of his episodes were being made, or at a cast and crew party, or any other aspect of past production.

[Marsh.]

What Graham Norton interview?

I was referring to the Facebook chat last night.

[MB.]

The Graham Norton interview where Pearl used the phrase "crazy shit" at 10am on Radio 2 <3

[Marsh.]

It's weird but on the whole Missy hasn't actually had much screen time at all in the show ever.

[Pete.]

A beautiful episode Not liking the look of the Cybus cybermen returning next week though

[user104658]

I literally only just remembered that when Missy first came into the show, she was involved with creating Cybermen . So Missy is definitely a direct progression from the Master in this storyline I reckon.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I literally only just remembered that when Missy first came into the show, she was involved with creating Cybermen . So Missy is definitely a direct progression from the Master in this storyline I reckon.

DS seem to have the idea that she's a far into the future version for some reason.

Also. Where is this Simm's version from because he's obviously post-series 3 as he mentioned being Harold Saxon (I assume the reason he disguised himself for Bill), but he was also killed then and only resurrected for Tennant's last episode. What happened to him after that, I can't remember?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

DS seem to have the idea that she's a far into the future version for some reason.

Also. Where is this Simm's version from because he's obviously post-series 3 as he mentioned being Harold Saxon (I assume the reason he disguised himself for Bill), but he was also killed then and only resurrected for Tennant's last episode. What happened to him after that, I can't remember?

He used his Force Lightning to blow the evil Time Lords back into the Time War, and went with them. This is the first we've seen of him since then.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

DS seem to have the idea that she's a far into the future version for some reason.

I'm not convinced she's far into the future as in several regenerations - although it is sort of suggested that the Missy regeneration has been around for a long time as she is now, so potentially several hundred years since she was The Master. That wouldn't really explain not remembering, though, as Matt Smith's Doctor for example, even towards the end of the Smith run, still remembered old companions like Rose / remembered specific details about being the Tennant doctor even though we know that "Smith Doctor" was around for several hundred years (900ish years old to 1200ish years old isn't it?).

Also the Tennant Doctor remembers Sarah Jane and K9 as though he had only just left them, and he's several regenerations on from the one she knew?

So her not remembering it can't be as simple as it just being too far in the past... I'm sure Time Lords are supposed to basically have infinite memory and perfect recall unless it's something that's deliberately removed (like Clara). They also sort of went into that with the immortal Aria Stark thing... She lives forever but because she has a human brain, she can't remember more than a few hundred years at a time other than the major events, and that's described as being different to TimeLords who can remember it all. Though they never explained why it doesn't seem to apply to Capt. Jack who doesn't seem to have any memory issues .

But yeah I reckon her memory of these events must have been deliberately removed, either by herself or the doctor.

Also. Where is this Simm's version from because he's obviously post-series 3 as he mentioned being Harold Saxon (I assume the reason he disguised himself for Bill), but he was also killed then and only resurrected for Tennant's last episode. What happened to him after that, I can't remember?

We didn't see anything between him defeating the Evil Time War Galifreyans and getting pulled into the time locked Galifrey, and the arrival of Missy ages later (after the entire Matt Smith era and as mentioned above, the doctor was that regeneration for hundreds of years of "his own" time, and never met any incarnation of The Master). I guess we'll probably find out how / when / where The Master escaped in this upcoming ep?

[Jarrod]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not convinced she's far into the future as in several regenerations - although it is sort of suggested that the Missy regeneration has been around for a long time as she is now, so potentially several hundred years since she was The Master. That wouldn't really explain not remembering, though, as Matt Smith's Doctor for example, even towards the end of the Smith run, still remembered old companions like Rose / remembered specific details about being the Tennant doctor even though we know that "Smith Doctor" was around for several hundred years (900ish years old to 1200ish years old isn't it?).

Also the Tennant Doctor remembers Sarah Jane and K9 as though he had only just left them, and he's several regenerations on from the one she knew?

So her not remembering it can't be as simple as it just being too far in the past... I'm sure Time Lords are supposed to basically have infinite memory and perfect recall unless it's something that's deliberately removed (like Clara). They also sort of went into that with the immortal Aria Stark thing... She lives forever but because she has a human brain, she can't remember more than a few hundred years at a time other than the major events, and that's described as being different to TimeLords who can remember it all. Though they never explained why it doesn't seem to apply to Capt. Jack who doesn't seem to have any memory issues .

But yeah I reckon her memory of these events must have been deliberately removed, either by herself or the doctor.



We didn't see anything between him defeating the Evil Time War Galifreyans and getting pulled into the time locked Galifrey, and the arrival of Missy ages later (after the entire Matt Smith era and as mentioned above, the doctor was that regeneration for hundreds of years of "his own" time, and never met any incarnation of The Master). I guess we'll probably find out how / when / where The Master escaped in this upcoming ep?

The memory thing could be something as simple as the time streams correcting, like in the 50th - how the 10th Doctor wouldn't remember what had happened

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jarrod

The memory thing could be something as simple as the time streams correcting, like in the 50th - how the 10th Doctor wouldn't remember what had happened

True - and it was made pretty clear that the latest doctor in the time stream (Matt Smith at that point) would remember while 10th and the "war doctor" would forget. However Missy doesn't just not remember the things from where the two masters encounter each other... She doesn't seem to remember anything about the ship at all, even though it seems the master has been there for decades if not hundreds of years...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not convinced she's far into the future as in several regenerations - although it is sort of suggested that the Missy regeneration has been around for a long time as she is now, so potentially several hundred years since she was The Master. That wouldn't really explain not remembering, though, as Matt Smith's Doctor for example, even towards the end of the Smith run, still remembered old companions like Rose / remembered specific details about being the Tennant doctor even though we know that "Smith Doctor" was around for several hundred years (900ish years old to 1200ish years old isn't it?).

Oh I thought she did remember being the Master, it was just that she didn't recognise him in his disguise as she seemed to realise pretty quickly when he said "former Prime Minister" and ripped his mask off.

It was being on the ship as the Master she couldn't remember. I assume the same reason the Doctor doesn't remember meeting himself.

But then I suppose that begs another question of how and why The Master is there to save Missy from turning good.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh I thought she did remember being the Master, it was just that she didn't recognise him in his disguise as she seemed to realise pretty quickly when he said "former Prime Minister" and ripped his mask off.

It was being on the ship as the Master she couldn't remember. I assume the same reason the Doctor doesn't remember meeting himself.

But then I suppose that begs another question of how and why The Master is there to save Missy from turning good.

I think Missy does remember being him, but she doesn't remember the ship or anything about it. But yeah that could be down to the "meeting your earlier self" thing, I got confused about the order of how it works, with the "oldest" version being the one to remember. That would mean Missy will remember this encounter, and the earlier version won't, which is why she doesn't now remember.

I don't think Missy will be an earlier incarnation of the Master than Simm... He didn't recognise her at first, he said it took him months watching on the screen to figure out who she was.

[Tom4784]

It was a good episode although all the reveals were spoiled ahead of time.

[armand.kay]

I'm glad that I forgot it was a Cyberman episode because I was honestly so shook at the reveal.

[Marsh.]

Could there be a twist and Missy is a pre-Simm version?

So we see her regenerate into him rather than the other way around?

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Could there be a twist and Missy is a pre-Simm version?

So we see her regenerate into him rather than the other way around?

Did you just forget about Derek Jacobi?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Did you just forget about Derek Jacobi?

Missy to regenerate into Derek Jacobi and there's a glitch in the female to male change and he acts like his character from Vicious?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Did you just forget about Derek Jacobi?

****ing scum

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

****ing scum

[user104658]

Chan. The weird sexual tension thing they have going on with Capaldoctor and Missy, tho.