[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Mate you are acting like a phsycologist by stating so called facts that she should stay away from Alcohol just because she has suffered with depression.

You are having a pop at me for apparently claiming to an expert on mental health yet i have claimed no such thing.

You are the one saying what she should and should not do if she has suffered with depression.

Do you think if someone has suffered with depression that they must never drink alcohol again? HAHA! That is ridiculous.

Speaking from experience with knowing people with serious mental health conditions i can tell you that your opinions on the issue are so off the mark. Life doesnt end if you have suffered a mental disorder you know.

everything you are saying is a by product of a pitiful over liberal socialist corrupt 15 years....well guess what? that era is over. spin is dead. now we are allowed to make judgements and not all celebrities who open up about their drugs shame are seen as heroes....the culture has changed now for the better

we lived through a 15 year period where men werent allowed any opinions....where too many rights were given away....where we would see sexual harassament for just 1 or 2 wrong words pay out millions ...but war criminals were never charged neither were corprate criminals....this is whats happened in our over liberal wishy washy country

no male teachers, no fathers. corrupt civil servants all covering others as*es. so we see systemnatic abuse all over the nations public sector...overpaid chiefs, abused patients starved to death, uselsss burocrats, bent petty police who fine for throwing a fag butt on the floor and ignore systematic drug pushing?, useless nurses but it was deemed too poilitically incorrect to ever crititize them even though people were dying unnecessarily. in such
a preachy over liberal anti establishment environment the unions grew, hence only 17 teachers were sacked in 10 years? thats about 1.7 teachers sacked a year for 4 countries? crazy. those poor kids

education standards are now soo bad that even people with A grades cant even count the change from a ten pound note...oh but everyone must go to university? eh? why? some are more suited, end of

but never fail, in such an era we went to war on evidence that wouldnt fill the back of a postage stamp, yet we spent years agonising over fox hunting?
society has been backwards for 15 yrs. thankfully reality will soon return.

why is this relevant here? because every cliched word youre spouting here is not YOU its a mantra thats been fed to you and let me enlighten you , its BULLSH*T. so save yourself the trouble and wasted energy of defending these greedy hypocrites. be yourself, youre probaabbly infinitely more interesting with far far more integrity. use your talents elsewhere

[Ammi]

I'm not sure how her depression and inability to handle alcohol are linked. How she's behaved in the house has nothing to do with depression...and she wasn't too bad until she has a drink, then she becomes volatile..it's not because she suffers from depression, it's an entirely seperate behaviou

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Did you have to care of a family member when you were 15 due to them having a serious drug/alcohol addiction which eventually led to phsycosis and them being sectioned to this day?

Do not judge my life and my experience because thats not your right.

SO YES....MOVE ON

neither are you anyone to judge me either or make your own wrong assumptions on me either, as that is not your right (yet you felt it was appropriate to do so earlier in the thread)

Nope, no moving on for me, I'm happy where I am.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Yes but for instance if someone suffers with photosensitive epilepsy and choose to go clubbing which could possibly make them have a seizure isnt that the same thing?

Both have risks but people take risks for the chance of enjoyment.

Addicition is also an illness so its a fair comparrison.

no its not. what you are saying here is simply insane

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Josy

Right can we stick to discussing the housemates in here please.

done deal.

[g17m]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

neither are you anyone to judge me either or make your own wrong assumptions on me either, as that is not your right (yet you felt it was appropriate to do so earlier in the thread)

Nope, no moving on for me, I'm happy where I am.

man whats your problem with daniel, he hasnt said anything to you, dont be such a dick to him especially after what he's just said

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

neither are you anyone to judge me either or make your own wrong assumptions on me either, as that is not your right (yet you felt it was appropriate to do so earlier in the thread)

Nope, no moving on for me, I'm happy where I am.

You were the one who was laughing at me and telling me that you had more life experience in regards to mental illness.

I was just responding to your personal insults.

I wont disuss this anymore now, im bored and i wanna watch Pat Butcher eat dust.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Did you have to care of a family member when you were 15 due to them having a serious drug/alcohol addiction which eventually led to phsycosis and them being sectioned to this day?

Do not judge my life and my experience because thats not your right.

SO YES....MOVE ON

Daniel no one has mentioned YOUR life, we are talking about Denise Welch

[g17m]

someone said to him that they had more experience with mental illness than him, so he was putting his point across, so actually, we werent talking about denise

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by g17m

man whats your problem with daniel, he hasnt said anything to you, dont be such a dick to him especially after what he's just said

So what, he's not the only one who may have had dealing in his private life...... that's my point. And you can quit with the insults right now, next time, I'll be reporting you.

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

You were the one who was laughing at me and telling me that you had more life experience in regards to mental illness.

I was just responding to your personal insults.

I wont disuss this anymore now, im bored and i wanna watch Pat Butcher eat dust.

Only because you felt that you had some well fared experience that apparently no one else here on this thread and that only your opinion or experience / observations mattered - and more to the point - some of us have actually read her book - and I've got a feeling that you haven't - so you don't know quite what Denise herself has admitted.

Enjoy Pat eating dust.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Daniel no one has mentioned YOUR life, we are talking about Denise Welch

Yes they did.

Like i said im not discussing this anymore because its just turning into a childish slanging match and its beneath me.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by g17m

someone said to him that they had more experience with mental illness than him, so he was putting his point across, so actually, we werent talking about denise

i have only spoken about Denise, SHE is in CBB, I have a right to discuss her

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

You were the one who was laughing at me and telling me that you had more life experience in regards to mental illness.

I was just responding to your personal insults.

I wont disuss this anymore now, im bored and i wanna watch Pat Butcher eat dust.

I know a guy who goes out and gets bladdered the night before he gets means tested for his benefit so that they find more alcohol in his system and that may push him up to a higher level. there are such people. he chooses what he wants to do. meanwhile people who die of disease or live their lives riddled with polio and epileptic fits have no choice but to live and die with these diseases. the fact you cant see the difference between the 2 is very depply disturbing

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Yes they did.

Like i said im not discussing this anymore because its just turning into a childish slanging match and its beneath me.

You started this thread, did you expect everyone to agree with you ? are we not allowed an opinion on a hm8?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

I know a guy who goes out and gets bladdered the night before he gets means tested for his benefit so that they find more alcohol in his system and that may push him up to a higher level. there are such people. he chooses what he wants to do. meanwhile people who die of disease or live their lives riddled with polio and epileptic fits have no choice but to live and die with these diseases. the fact you cant see the difference between the 2 is very depply disturbing

I think classing alcholism as an illness is an insult to normal people who live day to day with PROPER illnesses,illnesses they didnt CHOSE to have

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I think classing alcholism as an illness is an insult to normal people who live day to day with PROPER illnesses,illnesses they didnt CHOSE to have

Addiction is an illness and its a fact that people carry certain genes which make them more prone to suffer with addiction and other mental health issues.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Yes they did.

Like i said im not discussing this anymore because its just turning into a childish slanging match and its beneath me.

I think you will in fact find that the person who divulged and revealed anything about YOUR private life - was actually YOU. not I.

Yes, someone did. YOU. Don't blame me for you divulging such info, when you offered that yourself.

In fact: here is the very post that YOU made about YOURSELF.

Did you have to care of a family member when you were 15 due to them having a serious drug/alcohol addiction which eventually led to phsycosis and them being sectioned to this day?

Do not judge my life and my experience because thats not your right.

SO YES....MOVE ON

[the truth]

yeah I agree 100%...but with these liberals in charge..we are not allowed to differentiate between the truly needy, the sick and the disabled....instead we see more money spent per head on criminals than on old sick people? we hear nothinbg about the disabled who lose legs and arms and suffer fits and tumors etc etc etc there are no military hospitals for poor old soldiers who lose limbs and suffer mental illnesses (they get a patronising tv award but no military hospitals. pathetic gimmicks policitcs...but we hear endlessly about poor dear so called celebrities like imogen and natasha giggs? who get paid millions because they have affairs with famous people allegedly?

[Cherie]

Lets face it, most people can stay off the sauce (even alcoholics) for short periods especially if they know they are under scrutiny, there are places to get drunk, and then there are places to stay well clear...at 50 something Denise really should know her limits by now and should be able to stay away from the booze given she has a young son, a husband, and a career to look after...she comes across as extremely selfish and spoilt...I pity her son who will have to pick up the flak.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Addiction is an illness and its a fact that people carry certain genes which make them more prone to suffer with addiction and other mental health issues.

its not a disablity though....and it can be managed to varying degrees. everyone has some degree of self determination, except the state love to tell people they have no power over their own destiny, why? because this ensures more government jobs and more waste

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I think you will in fact find that the person who divulged and revealed anything about YOUR private life - was actually YOU. not I.

Yes, someone did. YOU. Don't blame me for you divulging such info, when you offered that yourself.

In fact: here is the very post that YOU made about YOURSELF.

That was a response to you speaking as if you has more life experience with dealing with such issue to which i responded appropriatley and on topic.

Can you not let this go?

Stop clutching at straws.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Addiction is an illness and its a fact that people carry certain genes which make them more prone to suffer with addiction and other mental health issues.

Please add IMO as its not mine, no one makes anyone stick a needle in their arm or forces drink down their throats ,people carry genes of cancer too ,something no one can do anything about, they have no choice unlike alkis,druggys

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by CherieB

Lets face it, most people can stay off the sauce (even alcoholics) for short periods especially if they know they are under scrutiny, there are places to get drunk, and then there are places to stay well clear...at 50 something Denise really should know her limits by now and should be able to stay away from the booze given she has a young son, a husband, and a career to look after...she comes across as extremely selfish and spoilt...I pity her son who will have to pick up the flak.

She has 2 sons, poor lads

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Please add IMO as its not mine, no one makes anyone stick a needle in their arm or forces drink down their throats ,people carry genes of cancer too ,something no one can do anything about, they have no choice unlike alkis,druggys

Yeah true but people make wrong decisions in life and things can spiral out of control.

Life is not black and white like you are making out.

Not everything is simple.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Addiction is an illness and its a fact that people carry certain genes which make them more prone to suffer with addiction and other mental health issues.

The reality is the the jury is still very much out on whether addiction is simply that, an addiction and rebranded as an illness to make it sound more acceptable.

None of this changes anything in respect of her behaviour. If she cannot be trusted to behave herself regardless, then she shouldn't be volunteering herself for shows such as BB where she will show how vile a woman she can be.