[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by boomoo

Well you obviously approach life in a balanced way and have associated with people who think in the same way.
When my daughter first started nursery she met children from Pakistan, Bangladesh and India. At three years of age she said she was going out to Africa to sort out the water. Out of the mouth of babes. She taught these girls their alphabet and sums. [/B]She was blue eyed gold blond haired. They adored her and squealed with delight whenever she turned up at school.
At four she started a new school. After a week she came home and said, ' I am sick of looking at pink and white faces, I want to go back to my girls.
Racism is learnt. My daughter's innocent reaction was because she had only ever seen white skin.

Wow.

[DanaC]

Big difference between jokes that come from somebody who you know views you with caring or concern, or with whom you share some sort of kinship or camaraderie, and jokes that come from somebody who doesn't know you and whose motives may not be kind. One is, despite the content, a form of intended inclusion. The other is a form of intended exclusion.

[Lord Of The Garden]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Big difference between jokes that come from somebody who you know views you with caring or concern, or with whom you share some sort of kinship or camaraderie, and jokes that come from somebody who doesn't know you and whose motives may not be kind. One is, despite the content, a form of intended inclusion. The other is a form of intended exclusion.

Agreed.

But for me that's a win / win.

I'd gladly be excluded from people with bad intention !

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

Agreed.

But for me that's a win / win.

I'd gladly be excluded from people with bad intention !

ha! yes.

The trouble comes in when those people with bad intentions are the ones who create the culture in which you are living and working. These days they're a marginal voice, thankfully. But that wasn't always the case, and may not be always the case.

[Lord Of The Garden]

Originally Posted by DanaC

ha! yes.

The trouble comes in when those people with bad intentions are the ones who create the culture in which you are living and working. These days they're a marginal voice, thankfully. But that wasn't always the case, and may not be always the case.

I know, it's a scary thing to be around when you can't avoid it. On the whole i think we are evolving for the better but there is still a lot of divisive thinking around in people who think their 'group' is superior to others - whether that is their race, their religion or their gender.

Thankfully we live in one of the most open minded and multi-cultural countries in the world. Hopefully that forward thinking spirit will rub off on all cultures who live here and help to dissolve the racial/religious/gender divides that are not serving the common good.

Well intended humour on taboo subjects is a sign that we are on the right track but of course it is unpleasant when humour is misused by people with darker motives. It's all about intention i guess. You can feel the difference between a joke with bad intention behind it and one that's just a joke.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

I know, it's a scary thing to be around when you can't avoid it. On the whole i think we are evolving for the better but there is still a lot of divisive thinking around in people who think their 'group' is superior to others - whether that is their race, their religion or their gender.

Thankfully we live in one of the most open minded and multi-cultural countries in the world. Hopefully that forward thinking spirit will rub off on all cultures who live here and help to dissolve the racial/religious/gender divides that are not serving the common good.

Well intended humour on taboo subjects is a sign that we are on the right track but of course it is unpleasant when humour is misused by people with darker motives. It's all about intention i guess. You can feel the difference between a joke with bad intention behind it and one that's just a joke.

Like Fingers , Chuff and a few other people on this forum have already said...This kind of nonsense thread is too much for me to be bothered with, But before I turn my back on all of the 'overly-pious threads' I will say that this particular piece of open minded and sensible observation posted by 'Lord Of The Garden' should be considered the epitome of logic....and end this pc madness!
The man tried to make a joke for god's sake!...he did not shout "Death To The Veil-Wearing Charlatans!" [or something else to that effect!]
...Granted, the attempt at humour was pretty weak...and also thoughtlessly misplaced , because the producers of the show that he's on were always hoping for Ron to give them a cheap bit of publicity [otherwise, why would they have paid loads of dosh to have a relatively boring, knackered old football has'been on the show?]
It was not racist at all!..it was throwaway humour!...The very same throwaway humour that is constantly being used by comedians up and down the country...nay!...world-wide!

For anyone that disagrees with my assessment of the 'non-event' ...please study the links below that are perfect examples of the real 'Voice Of Reason' by people that are eminently more qualified to comment and set the boundaries of "Political Correctness" than most [if not all] of the people feigning indignation on these threads...before commentating on this post thank you!....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPEmfh3hOXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoL_tR5nARg

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/ar...-jokes-not-war

ps...don't just skip the links...if nothing else, ...they might just make you smile!


Bye Bye!

[Northern Monkey]

Round our end,The local asian off licence was always known as the 'P**i shop' to everyone before it closed.That was just normal,Was'nt all that long ago.10 or so years.

[Daffodil]

My reaction when I saw the warning? I laughed at what he said! Sorry, but it was funny! And I am only being honest.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Daffodil

My reaction when I saw the warning? I laughed at what he said! Sorry, but it was funny! And I am only being honest.

It was a silly joke, rather schoolboyish humour, but that's ALL it was just a silly stupid remark that BB deliberately BROADCAST (Along with the full DR warning) in
order to create another "Race Row" headline in the Daily Scum. They definitely succeeded as today's Daily scum proves. > http://www.dailystar.co.uk/

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/big-br...omb-joke-storm another heaven-sent opportunity to publicise BB and show how caring the programme is
in defending the viewers' sensibilities

[CaudleHalbard]

I said it before and I'll say it again:

BB are covering their backs. They would rather have loads of whinging on the internet than even a small number of complaints to Ofcom.

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I said it before and I'll say it again:

BB are covering their backs. They would rather have loads of whinging on the internet than even a small number of complaints to Ofcom.

So why did they air it. Surely they put themselves in an awkward position by airing Ron and the headscarf. They could have warned Ron without airing the event. It would have been CBB who incited a reaction.
They wanted to have just such a piece to contrive interest.

[CaudleHalbard]

Does anyone SERIOUSLY think that BB were making a moral judgment on Headscarfgate?

If so, that's seriously deluded! Sorry.

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Does anyone SERIOUSLY think that BB were making a moral judgment on Headscarfgate?

If so, that's seriously deluded! Sorry.

If anything, I bet the main reason why they put Ron in there was to see if he'd say exactly that kind of thing.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

If anything, I bet the main reason why they put Ron in there was to see if he'd say exactly that kind of thing.

Indeed. They slipped up though by not having a black footballer and a Chinese woman in the house for Ron to interact with!

[DanaC]

What's ridiculous is people getting into an almighty strop because someone was pulled up for a mildly racist joke on tv.

It amazes me that so many people think that minority ethnic groups should just get on with it and stop taking it so seriously that their parents, grandparents and great grand parents were treated like second class citizens and that they themselves have reduced employment opportunities and a greater likelihood of being stopped and searched etc etc etc, when someone makes a joke at their expense. Suck it up, have a sense of humour. But my God, step on the right of that person to make a racist joke without comment or censure of any kind and they start wailing about reverse racism and PC gone mad.

Get a grip. he made a comment on tv, it was mildly racist and potentially offensive to some and he was given a warning for it. Nobody is advocating taking him out back and shooting him for it. And very few people in this forum are taking it as an indication he's anything more than a little thoughtless and insensitive.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by DanaC

What's ridiculous is people getting into an almighty strop because someone was pulled up for a mildly racist joke on tv.

It amazes me that so many people think that minority ethnic groups should just get on with it and stop taking it so seriously that their parents, grandparents and great grand parents were treated like second class citizens and that they themselves have reduced employment opportunities and a greater likelihood of being stopped and searched etc etc etc, when someone makes a joke at their expense. Suck it up, have a sense of humour. But my God, step on the right of that person to make a racist joke without comment or censure of any kind and they start wailing about reverse racism and PC gone mad.

Get a grip. he made a comment on tv, it was mildly racist and potentially offensive to some and he was given a warning for it. Nobody is advocating taking him out back and shooting him for it. And very few people in this forum are taking it as an indication he's anything more than a little thoughtless and insensitive.

Exactly the point. No point carrying on these silly strops, BB has spoken.. the warning has been given and was justified. Close.

[In the Drunk Tank]

The Star could have reported it even if they didn't air it, they've carried stories about warnings before when they haven't actually been shown

[fingers]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Star could have reported it even if they didn't air it, they've carried stories about warnings before when they haven't actually been shown

Wouldn't have had the same impact. You only have to look at the fan sites to see that.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by fingers

Wouldn't have had the same impact. You only have to look at the fan sites to see that.

All true

[CaudleHalbard]

It's the old saying: there's no such thing as bad publicity.

BB wanted to look like the good guys.

[the truth]

I was on a bus one day what a Pakistani lad started mocking a disabled chap with polio, the other boys then started calling the Pakistani boy names because they disliked him discriminating....before you knew it everyone was screaming abuse and pushing and shoving

the moral of the tale is what? well for one rules, customs and accepted behaviour must work both ways

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by the truth

I was on a bus one day what a Pakistani lad started mocking a disabled chap with polio, the other boys then started calling the Pakistani boy names because they disliked him discriminating....before you knew it everyone was screaming abuse and pushing and shoving

the moral of the tale is what? well for one rules, customs and accepted behaviour must work both ways

And why exactly did they have to use racial slurs? They were not capable of telling him off for his behaviour without sinking to the same level?

[Nedusa]

Clearly Ron has been put into the house to create exactly this type of situation. Everyone is well aware of his views in the past so it is fair to assume in a high pressure stressful environment it was only a matter of days before an outburst like this was due.

BB then give him a warning but secretly they thrive on situations like this for headlines and hopefully more viewers.

If they were that concerned with his comments then why did they air them ??

[Parmy]

i thought it was because she was irish!