[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zee

Yeah but alcohol more so than pretty much anything else you could put into your body short of actual poison or something. Experts saying "carrots are bad for your unborn foetus" is one thing (for example) but in general carrots are good for you. There are no real positive health benefits with alcohol, other than that in moderation (key word) red wine isn't bad for you.

Exactly..moderation

It just seems these days that anything to do with alcohol is immediately bad. When most people have the ****ing sense not to get totally bladdered and most mature people do not drink with the sole thought of getting pissed out of their skulls.

The judgement of this woman on here..and by the bartender, for wanting one glass of wine is ridiculous I think :S

I could understand it if she was on a bender or something (I know a woman who drank like a fish when pregnant, and I did tell her in no uncertain terms that she was a ***********) but really..one glass. When even the hospital tell you to do it?

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Exactly..moderation

It just seems these days that anything to do with alcohol is immediately bad. When most people have the ****ing sense not to get totally bladdered and most mature people do not drink with the sole thought of getting pissed out of their skulls.

The judgement of this woman on here..and by the bartender, for wanting one glass of wine is ridiculous I think :S

I could understand it if she was on a bender or something (I know a woman who drank like a fish when pregnant, and I did tell her in no uncertain terms that she was a ***********) but really..one glass. When even the hospital tell you to do it?

I've been defending the barman throughout this thread though - his job is to serve paying customers. Sometimes he will have to make a judgment call about the well being of customers because if he serves someone one drink too many, he could indirectly cause that person any number of possible problems - they might fall off a bridge, be raped, walk into traffic, need their stomach pumped... the list goes on. Falling in line with that, the barman's judgment was that this heavily pregnant woman shouldn't be drinking alcohol because he didn't want anything on his conscience. Evidently he is not informed about the risks or lack of associated with drinking alcohol while pregnant, but like many other people, he will have been taught that pregnancy and alcohol should never mix. How is he supposed to know that this woman follows a strict routine as advised by her doctor? I'm sure he'd rather be given into trouble for not serving her than serving her and worrying about it when he went to bed that night.

[Josy]

This is the way I think of the drinking during pregnancy thing.

Would you fill your month old baby's bottle with 125ml of red wine? NO!

So why drink it while pregnant when what you eat and drink is your unborn childs only source of nourishment...

I know not everyone agree's with that but that's my opinion on it.

Also not all doctors or health professional's say a little bit of alcohol does no harm, some actually say

No level of alcohol consumption is considered safe during pregnancy.

That was quoted from a childrens health website.

[Vanessa]

[Vicky.]

I have my BIIAB certificate having gone on the course about licensing and stuff, and there is nothing at all about serving pregnant women involved in the course (though I do think there SHOULD be some kind of guidelines..) From the managers response, he had never been told to refuse either.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have my BIIAB certificate having gone on the course about licensing and stuff, and there is nothing at all about serving pregnant women involved in the course (though I do think there SHOULD be some kind of guidelines..) From the managers response, he had never been told to refuse either.

But then how often does that happen? I can't imagine there are many pregnant women asking for alcohol. I just can't get my head around people drinking regularly throughout their pregnancy, no matter how little it is or how safe it supposedly is.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zee

But then how often does that happen? I can't imagine there are many pregnant women asking for alcohol. I just can't get my head around people drinking regularly throughout their pregnancy, no matter how little it is or how safe it supposedly is.

I would imagine a lot more often than you would think, especially in places that serve food.

When I worked in bars, we used to get pregnant women coming in after a days shop, for a half on their way home. I dont see the problem really

As I said earlier though, if those same women had decided to stay for the night and started ordering a load of shots or something, I would have also refused.

I cant find it in me to judge someone for something so small, especially after the hospital advised me to actually drink when in labour

[Kizzy]

It would be interesting to find out how 125ml of fluid at 8% ABV is metabolised in the body when taken with food wouldn't it?

[Marc]

This woman has only just brought on un-needed judgement from us on her.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marc

This woman has only just brought on un-needed judgement from us on her.

No she hasn't because not everyone is judging her.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No she hasn't because not everyone is judging her.

Yes she has because some have judged her?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marc

Yes she has because some have judged her?

Some haven't... that's a debate isn't it?
She has raised awareness, it's a talking point.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Some haven't... that's a debate isn't it?
She has raised awareness, it's a talking point.

Yeah it is. But what I said is right, some of us (people who read this news story) will judge her for drinking whilst being pregnant. As shown by some views expressed in this thread.

[Marc]

Always with the last word Kizzy

[Kizzy]

-something mean-

[Benjamin]

No it's not that it's mean Kizzy, I can deal with being called all sorts, usually because I am them, it's the fact you are an absolute hypocrite.

[Novo]

can you two please stop bloody bickering

[MeMyselfAndI]

[Kizzy]

You tell him novo!
Anyway, back to this idiot barman.

[Lee.]

My GP told me a small glass of red wine whilst pregnant would do me more good than harm.. I used to really look forward to my Saturday night out.. My friend was preggers the same time as me and we used to go out the four if us and we'd have a glass of wine each.. I'd have been a bit taken aback if the batman had refused to serve us.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

My GP told me a small glass of red wine whilst pregnant would do me more good than harm.. I used to really look forward to my Saturday night out.. My friend was preggers the same time as me and we used to go out the four if us and we'd have a glass of wine each.. I'd have been a bit taken aback if the batman had refused to serve us.

Well, it would have been extremely embarrassing and humiliating for some stranger to make you feel like you were being irresponsible and harming your unborn child. I think that's what people are missing here, that this woman isn't annoyed because the wine is so important to her, it's because of the way that barman judged her and made her feel so small

[Z]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, it would have been extremely embarrassing and humiliating for some stranger to make you feel like you were being irresponsible and harming your unborn child. I think that's what people are missing here, that this woman isn't annoyed because the wine is so important to her, it's because of the way that barman judged her and made her feel so small

By refusing to serve her though? It doesn't say that he lectured her in front of lots of people, he just didn't serve her a glass of wine - she comes across as attention seeking to me by virtue of going to the press over such a minor incident. Kizzy seemed to think I was being patronising when I suggested that the woman is possibly very hormonal, hence having such a reaction to being refused service and going to the media over it... I doubt that's something she would have done normally.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zee

By refusing to serve her though? It doesn't say that he lectured her in front of lots of people, he just didn't serve her a glass of wine - she comes across as attention seeking to me by virtue of going to the press over such a minor incident. Kizzy seemed to think I was being patronising when I suggested that the woman is possibly very hormonal, hence having such a reaction to being refused service and going to the media over it... I doubt that's something she would have done normally.

Well, to be honest if I put myself in her position, just the fact that he wouldn't serve her infers that he thinks she's being irresponsible and not looking after her unborn child, which is the worst thing a person could ever say about/imply to a parent/parent to be imo. If it were me I probably wouldn't have brought it to the medias attention although I think I'd be annoyed/offended enough to contact the bars manager.

Could she be feeling more hormonal and prone to be upset more because of her hormones? Absolutely lol I remember crying because I lost a game of cards when i was pregnant with my daughter

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, to be honest if I put myself in her position, just the fact that he wouldn't serve her infers that he thinks she's being irresponsible and not looking after her unborn child, which is the worst thing a person could ever say about/imply to a parent/parent to be imo. If it were me I probably wouldn't have brought it to the medias attention although I think I'd be annoyed/offended enough to contact the bars manager.

This is the same reasoning that apparently makes it a big "no no" to point out that formula milk is inferior to breastmilk, though. People are afraid to let others know important things that might actually help others to make healthier choices, for fear of "upsetting someone".

Choosing to use formula milk increases the risk of childhood cancer by several degrees, and increases the risk of SIDS by FOUR TIMES. But you're not allowed to mention that, ever, to anyone, for fear that you might make the large proportion of mothers who "find breastfeeding too hard" feel guilty. Oh no. God forbid. Better just bury this important public health information that could potentially save thousands of infants from a needless death, to spare people's feelings. Right?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zee

By refusing to serve her though? It doesn't say that he lectured her in front of lots of people, he just didn't serve her a glass of wine - she comes across as attention seeking to me by virtue of going to the press over such a minor incident. Kizzy seemed to think I was being patronising when I suggested that the woman is possibly very hormonal, hence having such a reaction to being refused service and going to the media over it... I doubt that's something she would have done normally.

Hold the phone......
I did not think you were being patronising zee, I did post a smiley face... does nobody understand the significance of a smiley face anymore?
I knew you had the wrong end of the stick the other day, when I mentioned 'ignorant and uneducated views' I meant the barman too, not you.
I did say ben was sanctamonious and said sorry, I'm not doing it again it's a once in a lifetime
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As MTVN said there was a similar case in the news concerning staff and their personal opinion, the consensus then was if you can't do the job you are paid to do....leave.