[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So they don't want Ashleigh, despite her storyline as the only main opposition to Helen? And because "the public" like her?

I have no idea why they're doing what they're doing. Again, how can anyone know that? But of all the options they can they choosem they go with certain ones that are almost definitely going to lead to certain results.

And yes, it does seem to me, as with that quadruple eviction at the end of the last series on Channel 4 that someone has just decided to say "Up yours" to the viewers.

But go right ahead, thinking these people never manipulate anything or come up with twists designed to lead to certain results.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Josy

I'm not unwilling to recognise that they have options and they think through twists etc tbh and have pointed that out numerous times now...I could twist it round and say you are unwilling to listen anyone elses reasons and have in your mind that the producers want Ashleigh out and that's that yet you have no idea why

What I am unwilling to recognise though are these conspiracies that they want a certain housemates out or certain housemates safe when there is no reason being given for any of the claims.

Don't you think they would have taken Helens pass and had her evicted by now if they were going to manipulate things to that extent, she is after all the one that Ofcom, channel 5 and endemol have being receiving the most complaints and petitions about.

If you want to create a show, you cannot have live feed.

What is the reason they axed live feed? They could make a tidy sum from making it fee based. £x per day £x per week £x for season pass etc

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Eh? She was the most divisive figure in an enormous vote to evict with the only person with more detractors (Jayne) being immune.

And someone placed a big bet on her to go before it had even been announced on the live feed or website.

Yes, someone knew she was gone before the decision was even made public. An old gambler on Digital Spy posted numerous threads on this.

People knew who'd be gone before the phone lines opened? OMG!!! That means it's rigged. I've never heard of an eviction being that predictable before. omg

That must mean they wanted Nikki out on purpose, you know because they wanted the drop in viewers that came afterwards.

Originally Posted by Yaki da

I have no idea why they're doing what they're doing. Again, how can anyone know that? But of all the options they can they choosem they go with certain ones that are almost definitely going to lead to certain results.

And yes, it does seem to me, as with that quadruple eviction at the end of the last series on Channel 4 that someone has just decided to say "Up yours" to the viewers.

But go right ahead, thinking these people never manipulate anything or come up with twists designed to lead to certain results.

The quadruple eviction happened otherwise they'd have 9 housemates in the final on a night they also had the UBB launch. Shock. Stupid production decision, was it rigged because they had selected who they wanted in and out? No.

BIB - I never said they don't. I'm calling your bullsh*t out for the crap it is. Simply having a twist that doesn't go your way doesn't automatically make it rigged.

I can spin too.

Saying "I'm cynical about every twist BB does" isn't proof of anything.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Achilles

If you want to create a show, you cannot have live feed.

What is the reason they axed live feed? They could make a tidy sum from making it fee based. £x per day £x per week £x for season pass etc

Live feed isn't anything to do with this discussion though but I do agree it gives them more of a chance to manipulate the highlights and so on, I have never said otherwise and have posted as much throughout this thread.

But I stand by my point that to say the producers are rearranging the entire show and manufacturing twists to suit an agenda of evicting one housemate without then giving a reason as to why they would do that is mad.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

People knew who'd be gone before the phone lines opened? OMG!!! That means it's rigged. I've never heard of an eviction being that predictable before. omg

That must mean they wanted Nikki out on purpose, you know because they wanted the drop in viewers that came afterwards.



The quadruple eviction happened otherwise they'd have 9 housemates in the final on a night they also had the UBB launch. Shock.

BIB - I never said they don't. I'm calling your bullsh*t out for the crap it is. Simply having a twist that doesn't go your way doesn't automatically make it rigged.

I can spin too.

It was a complete farce. Having a quadruple eviction but ensuring Josie was safe. Basically eliminate her competition and have the most boring final ever. If Josie wasn't made safe, she would have been evicted. Can't evict the winner.

[Starscream]

It's not too late to convince them to call off Friday's "no public vote" eviction. Contact 5 and BB by twitter, Facebook or email and tell them how you feel.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

It was a complete farce. Having a quadruple eviction but ensuring Josie was safe. Basically eliminate her competition and have the most boring final ever. If Josie wasn't made safe, she would have been evicted. Can't evict the winner.

Again, make Josie the winner for what purpose?

If the public wanted any of the others to win they'd have voted for them.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Josy

Live feed isn't anything to do with this discussion though but I do agree it gives them more of a chance to manipulate the highlights and so on, I have never said otherwise and have posted as much throughout this thread.

But I stand by my point that to say the producers are rearranging the entire show and manufacturing twists to suit an agenda of evicting one housemate without then giving a reason as to why they would do that is mad.

Live feed is relevant because most viewers are under the impression that they are watching 16 "normal" people living in a house and all that happens in the house is as a result of natural dynamics. With that you can have live feed.

If we are watching a show with 16 players each performing roles given to them, you cannot have live feed.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Live feed is relevant because most viewers are under the impression that they are watching 16 "normal" people living in a house and all that happens in the house is as a result of natural dynamics. With that you can have live feed.

If we are watching a show with 16 players each performing roles given to them, you cannot have live feed.

Yes, but that's not what the thread is about.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Live feed is relevant because most viewers are under the impression that they are watching 16 "normal" people living in a house and all that happens in the house is as a result of natural dynamics. With that you can have live feed.

If we are watching a show with 16 players each performing roles given to them, you cannot have live feed.

Again, I have never said Live Feed isn't relevant in fact I think the exact opposite and we need it for getting to know the housemates and certain situations and so much more however it does not have any relevance to this specific topic we were discussing.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Again, make Josie the winner for what purpose?

If the public wanted any of the others to win they'd have voted for them.

If the public wanted to evict Josie they would have voted to evict her. They didn't get the chance. The producers like her and want her to win.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

If the public wanted to evict Josie they would have voted to evict her. They didn't get the chance. The producers like her and want her to win.

They didn't get the chance because the housemates didn't nominate her. The housemates then decided to give Josie a pass to the final giving her immunity from the quadruple eviction.

The producers thought "Oh, we like that Josie let's use mind control to stop her being nominated and give her a pass to the final".

I'm convinced.

People seem to think the producers actually give a damn about who wins. They don't.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

People knew who'd be gone before the phone lines opened? OMG!!! That means it's rigged. I've never heard of an eviction being that predictable before. omg

Someone knew who'd be gone before the punishment was even announced.

That must mean they wanted Nikki out on purpose, you know because they wanted the drop in viewers that came afterwards.

Not sure if they saw that coming.

The quadruple eviction happened otherwise they'd have 9 housemates in the final on a night they also had the UBB launch. Shock. Stupid production decision, was it rigged because they had selected who they wanted in and out? No.

They probably wanted Steve to get the pass (he nearly did). I reckon it was one big f u to the fans of the show and they wanted the 4 biggest characters out Josie, JJ, Sam and Corin out in the penultimate week. It was the last ever series, what did they care.

Again, they could have had a vote to save with them all. They choose NOT to knowing what the result would be, the biggest names going out in one night.

BIB - I never said they don't. I'm calling your bullsh*t out for the crap it is. Simply having a twist that doesn't go your way doesn't automatically make it rigged.

It's a twist that we already know is going one way before it's even happened... If we all know that then they knew that when they decided to go with it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

It's a twist that we already know is going one way before it's even happened... If we all know that then they knew that when they decided to go with it.

Except we don't. Only you are saying you know.

You've even said that if the twist doesn't go the way you expect it to you'll still see it as a ploy to get Ashleigh out.

In other words.... no matter what they do it's a ploy to get her out in your eyes.

Even if she wins you'll be like "The producers tried so hard to have her evicted and she won!!!"

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Again, they could have had a vote to save with them all.

The entire series was vote to evict, why would they suddenly change it? That would be tampering.

I also find it funny that on this last page I've gone from being told how naive I am to not know Josie was a producer favourite and they manipulated things for her to win.

And now I'm told they wanted her and three other "big characters" out before the final as a "**** You!" to the show. You know, the show they work on?

The conspiracy theories aren't even consistent.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The entire series was vote to evict, why would they suddenly change it? That would be tampering.

Did it in BB10 and saved Lisa.

I also find it funny that on this last page I've gone from being told how naive I am to not know Josie was a producer favourite and they manipulated things for her to win.

Yeah, I know some people think the show was handed to Josie on a platter, and it obivously was when they decided to do the eviction. But it wouldn't surprise me if they had it in their minds that Steve, as a war hero and all that, should get the free pass to the final. It was only because of the closeness of certain people to Josie that it didn't go that way. Had it been Steve and they then done the quad eviction, Josie, JJ, Sam and Corin, the top 4 favourites would have probably been out.

And now I'm told they wanted her and three other "big characters" out before the final as a "**** You!" to the show. You know, the show they work on?

The conspiracy theories aren't even consistent.

Well, I can't help what other people think happened. It's just clear that they make the decisions thinking through the possible consequences. Why wouldn't they do that?

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Except we don't. Only you are saying you know.

If you were to guess, knowing full well that Ashleigh is asking to be evicted who they will then evict... Who do you suspect would go?

You've even said that if the twist doesn't go the way you expect it to you'll still see it as a ploy to get Ashleigh out.

In other words.... no matter what they do it's a ploy to get her out in your eyes.

Even if she wins you'll be like "The producers tried so hard to have her evicted and she won!!!"

Look, it's possible Danielle is the one they'll go after. All I've said is that there are certain people who are much more likely to go than others and Ashleigh is way up there. And they would have known that when they decided to give the new HMs that sort of power.

[M X]

NO.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

If you were to guess, knowing full well that Ashleigh is asking to be evicted who they will then evict... Who do you suspect would go?

I don't know because we've seen what?..... 30 seconds?..... of the people making the decision. You're presuming Ashleigh is going to continue talking about wanting to leave. You're also presuming they're going to pay any attention to that.

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Look, it's possible Danielle is the one they'll go after. All I've said is that there are certain people who are much more likely to go than others and Ashleigh is way up there. And they would have known that when they decided to give the new HMs that sort of power.

Of course some housemates are more likely to go than others, that's the case whether there's a twist or normal eviction process. That's natural.

It just so happens that, twist or no twist, Ashleigh is likely to go. Just like Marlon.

[Marsh.]

All in all, you think something no matter the evidence to the contrary and no matter whether it actually takes place or not. We've reached an impasse. Thanks for the discussion Yaki da.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't know because we've seen what?..... 30 seconds?..... of the people making the decision. You're presuming Ashleigh is going to continue talking about wanting to leave. You're also presuming they're going to pay any attention to that.

It makes their decision alot easier. Doesn't it?

Of course some housemates are more likely to go than others, that's the case whether there's a twist or normal eviction process. That's natural.

Yes, and they choose which twists to do and which ones not to do depending on what they know will be the most likely outcomes.

It just so happens that, twist or no twist, Ashleigh is likely to go. Just like Marlon.

If there was no twist, how would Ashleigh be most likely to go? She survived against someone as inoffensive as Jale.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

All in all, you think something no matter the evidence to the contrary

You haven't offered any evidence to the contrary. All you're asking me is to be a mindreader and tell you why they make the decisions they do, to which I can only offer suggestions.

But that they make decisions with certain outcomes in mind when they're making a long running television series is bloody obvious.

[Creggle]

Ashleigh will never be evicted due to the public vote, and has a strong chance of winning, just as much as Mark or Winston. So they have Monday and Friday's evictions where the public aren't involved and Ashleigh is clearly in the line of fire.

It isn't difficult to see why some people would consider this Big Brother's way of evicting somebody they don't want in it who they can't get evicted normally.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

Ashleigh will never be evicted due to the public vote, and has a strong chance of winning, just as much as Mark or Winston. So they have Monday and Friday's evictions where the public aren't involved and Ashleigh is clearly in the line of fire.

It isn't difficult to see why some people would consider this Big Brother's way of evicting somebody they don't want in it who they can't get evicted normally.

Yes, but these people have convinced themselves that the producers don't do that sort of thing. I thought it was interesting that I got no reply to the point about them changing to a vote to save when Lisa was up for eviction along with everyone else (resulting in Hira going) during BB10.

They also changed it to a vote to save when Pete was paired up with Richard and they no doubt worried a vote to evict may lead to a strange result.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

You haven't offered any evidence to the contrary.

I don't need to offer evidence. You are the one claiming something untoward is happening therefore it's down to you to prove that.