[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Because I wouldn't want to be a foreigner?

I don't care about scotland's future, I care about mine. It has a brighter outlook as part of the UK.

That's the main difference I've seen between yes and no voters.. No voters are voting for their own businesses/finance/security. Yes voters are voting for the future of Scotland and future generations

I still don't understand how living in England post independence would affect your vote?

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Lee.

That's the main difference I've seen between yes and no voters.. No voters are voting for their own businesses/finance/security. Yes voters are voting for the future of Scotland and future generations

I still don't understand how living in England post independence would affect your vote?

I like scotland as part of the UK and I don't want to break that up... The fact I want to live in England strengthens my view as I feel a United Kingdom would offer me better opportunities. An independent Scotland has too many unanswered questions and it's too big of a risk, when I know how I can succeed in the UK. Scotland, to me, shouldn't be independent.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I like scotland as part of the UK and I don't want to break that up... The fact I want to live in England strengthens my view as I feel a United Kingdom would offer me better opportunities. An independent Scotland has too many unanswered questions and it's too big of a risk, when I know how I can succeed in the UK. Scotland, to me, shouldn't be independent.

I wish people would realise that there are unanswered questions because it has not happened yet

its easy to say "well this may happen and that may" whilst at the same time battering them with "I want to know when, what where"

Mandela said that you must never vote in fear but always in hope

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I wish people would realise that there are unanswered questions because it has not happened yet

its easy to say "well this may happen and that may" whilst at the same time battering them with "I want to know when, what where"

Mandela said that you must never vote in fear but always in hope

But its only classed as fear by those that support the other result. For example, many No voters are voting for known stability, with the hope that the UK has had a wake up call.

[AnnieK]

Wow the poll results here are as close as the actual voting

[Novo]

Still 1/5 for a No Vote and 7/2 for a yes vote

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

But its only classed as fear by those that support the other result. For example, many No voters are voting for known stability, with the hope that the UK has had a wake up call.

and what stability have we had say in the last 20 years?

[Nedusa]

I personally think the vote will divide along economic lines. The rich upper classes down to the middle classes who work hard for their "nice" life will probably be desparate to maintain the status quo and as such are more likely to vote NO.

But the poorer, disillusioned and disenfranchised masses in Scotland the people who have ****ty low paid jobs , the unemployed the unemployable, the thousands of families who currently are forced to survive by frequenting Food banks, they will reckon things are not good , have never been good and more importantly will never be good (for them).

so I think these people will think they have nothing to lose as they can't get any poorer, they will most likely vote YES

I also think the Govt badly underestimated this whole referendum and did too little too late.

The domino effect if scotland votes YES is huge

Breakup of UK with Wales and N.Ireland leaving
England coming out of the EU
Britain losing it's seat on UN security Council
Nato being weakened
Nuclear deterrent in UK being scrapped
EU weakened resulting in Germany moving closer to Russia
US weakened as it loses it's main strategic partner (UK)

The implications of this vote are massive and unpredictable.




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[Locke.]

What time do we find out?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Locke.

What time do we find out?

i would set your alarm for around 2 am

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and what stability have we had say in the last 20 years?

Rather a lot actually

[Braden]

Was just said on the news that there will be an indication of votes cast around 12/1 am, and the result will be announced at 7/8 am. Some of the isles votes cannot be sent through for counting due to fog, which is why there is a delay.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Locke.

What time do we find out?

Aberdeen is the last count in, due at 6am so some time after that, although I think it will begin to look obvious before then.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Aberdeen is the last count in, due at 6am so some time after that, although I think it will begin to look obvious before then.

They are saying the majority of results will be in around 3-4am, also there will be no exit polls, so will be interesting what they find to talk about from 10pm until 3am

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Rather a lot actually

2 recessions, the banking fiasco and subsequent cuts to the poorest in society, wars based on basic lies, terrorism, expenses scandal, paedophilia in high places, cover ups on a grand scale (Hillsborough, Rotherham)?

looking real good

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Aberdeen is the last count in, due at 6am so some time after that, although I think it will begin to look obvious before then.

If say Dumfries and Galloway go yes then that will be a huge positive for Yes


if say Dundee goes no then vice versa

[Lee.]

Here's the expected timing..

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Crimson Dynamo]

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

2 recessions, the banking fiasco and subsequent cuts to the poorest in society, wars based on basic lies, terrorism, expenses scandal, paedophilia in high places, cover ups on a grand scale (Hillsborough, Rotherham)?

looking real good

We are all entitled to our opinions without needing to resort to thank you very much

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

We are all entitled to our opinions without needing to resort to thank you very much

Its a guy with an itchy ear

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Lee.

****ed up in what way?

Originally Posted by the truth

he doesnt know he was just after attention

I think the whole independent Scotland thing is a phase. It's born out of resentment towards the current Government. I have a very hard time seeing how Scotland's future will be brighter than that of the UK regardless and the impact of no longer being apart of the UK will outdo any of the positives it may gain imo.

[James]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Nope, if we get our independence, apathy will be a thing of the past. Our voices will actually mean something and we'll vote for the governments and policies we want.

If Scotland became independent there might be a 'honeymoon period' for the first election but it wouldn't last.

Even that is in doubt if things went badly initially or there were tensions etc. with England. The blame game would be huge.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

2 recessions, the banking fiasco and subsequent cuts to the poorest in society, wars based on basic lies, terrorism, expenses scandal, paedophilia in high places, cover ups on a grand scale (Hillsborough, Rotherham)?

looking real good

The banking crisis started in America and was worldwide, as were the resulting recession and cuts - Britain has actually come out of the slump better than some other countries. Wars happened as a reaction to 9/11. Scotland being independent would have made not one jot to all of that.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LukeB

just hope scotland has enough money to fund things

Of course they will have, because our dickhead governments will continue to provide support, funding and billions in grants. It's just a pity we can't give the poor Welsh a fairer crack of the fiscal whip - it's long overdue. In my humble opinion.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by James

If Scotland became independent there might be a 'honeymoon period' for the first election but it wouldn't last.

Even that is in doubt if things went badly initially or there were tensions etc. with England. The blame game would be huge.



The banking crisis started in America and was worldwide, as were the resulting recession and cuts - Britain has actually come out of the slump better than some other countries. Wars happened as a reaction to 9/11. Scotland being independent would have made not one jot to all of that.

Britain has not come out of the slump at all. Britain is surfing on manipulated statistics based on inflated finances and artificially booming house prices down south. It can't, and won't, last... and then we're ALL screwed, frankly.