[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

It exists yeah, as it's prejudice, but I find the whole concept of it just insulting. I'll let you know why with personal insight of a real life homosexual:

Today I was affectionate in public with someone I'm seeing and someone politely shouted "GAYBOYS" out of their moving car (I'd also like to state at this point whenever I've been affectionate with a male in public more than 50% of the time someone will comment).

I had to share a hostel room with 5 people who were talking about why so many gay people have AIDS including such delightful comments as "All those gay guys were in the clinic with their boyfriends, made me feel uncomfortable." and "It's a big deal for poofs though the HIV innit."

When I came back from a guys house the next morning I was greeted with "Was he gentle with you?" as if I was less of a human being as the room laughed. They didn't know I was gay until after they said this so that was awkward but kinda funny to see them try cover themselves and failing miserably ("I couldn't tell because you're not high pitched and annoying as ****" was a personal favourite.)

When talking to a friends girlfriend she said "I could tell you were gay because you walk like you've taken it up the ass."

You know how long all of that has happened in? 3 days. In one of the gayest cities in the world.

Every day we experience prejudice for who we are. Heterosexuals will very rarely get any hatred or even microaggresions thrown towards them because they are the majority. They will always feel comfortable holding hands with their partner wherever they are, they can marry anywhere in the world, they don't face the death penalty for who they are in certain countries. I don't let my sexuality define me, but I always feel like if I say my piece about how I feel I'm just another whiney fag who feels sorry for myself. If I don't speak up then I'm letting other people win. It's oppressive and something people in the majority don't have to deal with generally speaking.

TL;DR, it exists but it's just insulting to actually take it seriously.

Sorry to hear this has happened to you people truly ****ing suck sometimes. I was told by a very flamboyant gay military boy, that he's actually faced more homophobic abuse in places that it's considered okay (the UK, basically) than in places like Arizona and Texas. I actually couldn't believe it, but he swore to me it was true. It's weird, isn't it?

I'm also glad to see that even though you're facing abuse, you can be open minded and say this type of 'phobia' towards straight people 'exists'. I totally agree with you. It's insulting to suggest it's anything near as bad as what us homo's will endure, but either way, no matter how small, it does exist.

Hope you're having a nice time other there anyway

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Sorry to hear this has happened to you people truly ****ing suck sometimes. I was told by a very flamboyant gay military boy, that he's actually faced more homophobic abuse in places that it's considered okay (the UK, basically) than in places like Arizona and Texas. I actually couldn't believe it, but he swore to me it was true. It's weird, isn't it?

I'm also glad to see that even though you're facing abuse, you can be open minded and say this type of 'phobia' towards straight people 'exists'. I totally agree with you. It's insulting to suggest it's anything near as bad as what us homo's will endure, but either way, no matter how small, it does exist.

Hope you're having a nice time other there anyway

I mean my attitude towards homophobia is different now than how it used to be. Me a year ago would've got pretty sad about it but now I just think "Why is their opinion important?" and move on. It hasn't really affected me, just giving examples

I'm having the time of my life here by the way thank you

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

Today I was affectionate in public with someone I'm seeing and someone politely shouted "GAYBOYS" out of their moving car

sorry </3

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

It exists yeah, as it's prejudice, but I find the whole concept of it just insulting. I'll let you know why with personal insight of a real life homosexual:

Today I was affectionate in public with someone I'm seeing and someone politely shouted "GAYBOYS" out of their moving car (I'd also like to state at this point whenever I've been affectionate with a male in public more than 50% of the time someone will comment).

I had to share a hostel room with 5 people who were talking about why so many gay people have AIDS including such delightful comments as "All those gay guys were in the clinic with their boyfriends, made me feel uncomfortable." and "It's a big deal for poofs though the HIV innit."

When I came back from a guys house the next morning I was greeted with "Was he gentle with you?" as if I was less of a human being as the room laughed. They didn't know I was gay until after they said this so that was awkward but kinda funny to see them try cover themselves and failing miserably ("I couldn't tell because you're not high pitched and annoying as ****" was a personal favourite.)

When talking to a friends girlfriend she said "I could tell you were gay because you walk like you've taken it up the ass."

You know how long all of that has happened in? 3 days. In one of the gayest cities in the world.

Every day we experience prejudice for who we are. Heterosexuals will very rarely get any hatred or even microaggresions thrown towards them because they are the majority. They will always feel comfortable holding hands with their partner wherever they are, they can marry anywhere in the world, they don't face the death penalty for who they are in certain countries. I don't let my sexuality define me, but I always feel like if I say my piece about how I feel I'm just another whiney fag who feels sorry for myself. If I don't speak up then I'm letting other people win. It's oppressive and something people in the majority don't have to deal with generally speaking.

TL;DR, it exists but it's just insulting to actually take it seriously.

Thanks for sharing though LJ I think you perfectly illustrated the point with that post. As a straight woman i can tell you the amount of times I've experienced hate for being heterosexual in my 37 years on this planet is Zero

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

It exists yeah, as it's prejudice, but I find the whole concept of it just insulting. I'll let you know why with personal insight of a real life homosexual:

Today I was affectionate in public with someone I'm seeing and someone politely shouted "GAYBOYS" out of their moving car (I'd also like to state at this point whenever I've been affectionate with a male in public more than 50% of the time someone will comment).

I had to share a hostel room with 5 people who were talking about why so many gay people have AIDS including such delightful comments as "All those gay guys were in the clinic with their boyfriends, made me feel uncomfortable." and "It's a big deal for poofs though the HIV innit."

When I came back from a guys house the next morning I was greeted with "Was he gentle with you?" as if I was less of a human being as the room laughed. They didn't know I was gay until after they said this so that was awkward but kinda funny to see them try cover themselves and failing miserably ("I couldn't tell because you're not high pitched and annoying as ****" was a personal favourite.)

When talking to a friends girlfriend she said "I could tell you were gay because you walk like you've taken it up the ass."

You know how long all of that has happened in? 3 days. In one of the gayest cities in the world.

Every day we experience prejudice for who we are. Heterosexuals will very rarely get any hatred or even microaggresions thrown towards them because they are the majority. They will always feel comfortable holding hands with their partner wherever they are, they can marry anywhere in the world, they don't face the death penalty for who they are in certain countries. I don't let my sexuality define me, but I always feel like if I say my piece about how I feel I'm just another whiney fag who feels sorry for myself. If I don't speak up then I'm letting other people win. It's oppressive and something people in the majority don't have to deal with generally speaking.

TL;DR, it exists but it's just insulting to actually take it seriously.

I think this is the fairest and most accurate summing up of it. It's awful (and infuriating) that gay people have to go through these things. One of my best friends is gay (that sounds like a total soundbite, but genuinely one of my very best friends from childhood came out about 10 years ago) and I think I've mentioned on here before, I find it heartbreaking to see what him and his boyfriend go through, even in the subtle day to day things... like being hesitant to be affectionate in public, and really cringing before introducing his boyfriend as his partner at a wedding we were at. Nobody was weird about it at all or even blinked, but it was that moment just before he said it when I could tell that he was sort of bracing himself for a bad response, or even just a shocked / strange response. I can't even imagine it, really, such tension in everyday things.

But, as you say, that doesn't mean heterophobia as a concept doesn't exist and I agree with the way you've stated it; "it exists but it's just insulting to actually take it seriously". It's something that happens, but to act like it really negatively affects anyone's life in any major way is ridiculous.

[LemonJam]

[Kizzy]

It is shocking to think though that mockery and jibes are the experience, not long ago gay men would have been subjected to imprisonment and/or a severe beating LJ
Bizarrely you have documented progression, but also the fact that ignorance is not generationally exclusive .

[JoshBB]

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/01/05...-uk-broadcast/

Another example of homophobia with no equivalent for straight people..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/01/05...-uk-broadcast/

Another example of homophobia with no equivalent for straight people..

That's not homophobia...That's section 28.

[Kizzy]

well said Vicky!

[Ninastar]

Youtube video

I'm watching this video and literally sobbing. I was actually completely shocked by the end statistics... They did the same test in New York (one of the most accepting states in the US) and Texas, which is known for being extremely conservative/homophobic... However, twice as many people in Texas stuck up for the gay couple, and only about 13 people out of 100 stuck up for the gay couple in New York.

It kinda proves that the media likes to make on how awful these conservative countries are. Like I mentioned earlier, (and this still surprises me) my gay friend in the military experienced more abuse here in the UK and in California than he ever did in Arizona and Texas.

I'm happy with how much the world is progressing. You hear bad things happening an awful lot too, but considering that 5/6 years ago there was only openly one gay kid in my whole school (my best friend) and now it's so widely accepted, it truly gives me hope.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Youtube video

I'm watching this video and literally sobbing. I was actually completely shocked by the end statistics... They did the same test in New York (one of the most accepting states in the US) and Texas, which is known for being extremely conservative/homophobic... However, twice as many people in Texas stuck up for the gay couple, and only about 13 people out of 100 stuck up for the gay couple in New York .

See, there are other explanations for this that have nothing to do with homophobia though. A few generalisations here but Texas is a state where the culture is for people to stand up and speak their mind. If they see or experience something happening that they don't like, they will say so. Loudly.

New York is a large and very "anonymous" city where you're going to have a lot more people who just want to keep themselves to themselves and therefore won't say anything even if inside they're upset or angry about what's going on. Afraid of getting drawn into it and targeted / hurt, themselves.

That's the major problem with a lot of these "tests", I guess. Whether or not someone will say something or try to help has as much to do with their bravery / confidence as it does their opinions.

I used to be a LOT quieter than I am now. My job has now basically hammered it out of me . If I for example saw someone sitting near me on a train being harassed or abused I'd step in. Just 5 years ago, I'd have put my earphones in, sunk into my seat and tried to ignore it. I'd still have been just as angry about it inside but in all honesty didn't have the balls to handle someone getting in my face back then.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Youtube video

I'm watching this video and literally sobbing. I was actually completely shocked by the end statistics... They did the same test in New York (one of the most accepting states in the US) and Texas, which is known for being extremely conservative/homophobic... However, twice as many people in Texas stuck up for the gay couple, and only about 13 people out of 100 stuck up for the gay couple in New York.

It kinda proves that the media likes to make on how awful these conservative countries are. Like I mentioned earlier, (and this still surprises me) my gay friend in the military experienced more abuse here in the UK and in California than he ever did in Arizona and Texas.

I'm happy with how much the world is progressing. You hear bad things happening an awful lot too, but considering that 5/6 years ago there was only openly one gay kid in my whole school (my best friend) and now it's so widely accepted, it truly gives me hope.

Ive seen this video before, and it still makes me cry. so proud of that guy with the earrings, that even though he did;txt make a scene about it, he wrote a really nice note to let them know they were not alone and he sympathized. it isn't until the waitress got more aggressive that he finally got more aggressive.

[Kizzy]

I don't see it as being due to confidence or conservatism, from the vid I would say that the majority of those intervening were part of the gay community.
We can't judge New York a we saw nothing of them but the 'stats' from the presenter.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Wasn't Perez and his Gay fans Hetrophobic? Perez is definitely Hetrophobic so it does exist

Heterophobia does not exist. And it never will. It's offensive to suggest straight people face discrimination, because LGBT+ people actually do and it's quite horrific in some countries.. it really detracts from the actual horrors that so many gay people face. For straight people to wave their arms and state "i am oppressed by the gays!!11!" is ridiculous and really idiotic. Why do people want to be discriminated against so badly??

[Denver]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Heterophobia does not exist. And it never will. It's offensive to suggest straight people face discrimination, because LGBT+ people actually do and it's quite horrific in some countries.. it really detracts from the actual horrors that so many gay people face. For straight people to wave their arms and state "i am oppressed by the gays!!11!" is ridiculous and really idiotic. Why do people want to be discriminated against so badly??

Anybody can face discrimination end off

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Anybody can face discrimination end off

In a completely different universe where homosexuality is the established norm, perhaps. Put honestly there's a lot of grabbing at straws here, and you've completely ignored my previous posts.

In what ways have you, as a straight person, been discriminated against in the last 12 months? I'd like examples please.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

In a completely different universe where homosexuality is the established norm, perhaps. Put honestly there's a lot of grabbing at straws here, and you've completely ignored my previous posts.

In what ways have you, as a straight person, been discriminated against in the last 12 months? I'd like examples please.

There you go jumping to conclusions

[T*]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

In a completely different universe where homosexuality is the established norm, perhaps. Put honestly there's a lot of grabbing at straws here, and you've completely ignored my previous posts.

In what ways have you, as a straight person, been discriminated against in the last 12 months? I'd like examples please.

(he's not straight)

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Tom*

(he's not straight)

Oops, I assumed he was. Didn't expect a gay person to honestly think heterophbia existed..

I pose my question to the OP then - when in the last 12 months have you been discriminated against in the last 12 months?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Anybody can face discrimination end off

Anybody can face prejudice, personally I feel claiming an 'ism' without the historical aspect unacceptable.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Anybody can face prejudice, personally I feel claiming an 'ism' without the historical aspect unacceptable.

I'd agree with this tbh. I think there can be some resentment towards straight people from the gay community due to the fact that straight people are simply more privileged in this world. To call it Heterophobia is silly though as, like you said, there's no historical aspects or contexts. Straight people have never suffered injustices for being straight, they've never had to deal with discrimination on the grounds of their sexuality, they've never had their rights infringed because they are straight.

It's always going to be an emotionally charged topic because Homophobia is a real and present problem whilst Heterophobia is a concept that doesn't really apply to the real world.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'd agree with this tbh. I think there can be some resentment towards straight people from the gay community due to the fact that straight people are simply more privileged in this world. To call it Heterophobia is silly though as, like you said, there's no historical aspects or contexts. Straight people have never suffered injustices for being straight, they've never had to deal with discrimination on the grounds of their sexuality, they've never had their rights infringed because they are straight.



It's always going to be an emotionally charged topic because Homophobia is a real and present problem whilst Heterophobia is a concept that doesn't really apply to the real world.

Great post, completely agree

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'd agree with this tbh. I think there can be some resentment towards straight people from the gay community due to the fact that straight people are simply more privileged in this world. To call it Heterophobia is silly though as, like you said, there's no historical aspects or contexts. Straight people have never suffered injustices for being straight, they've never had to deal with discrimination on the grounds of their sexuality, they've never had their rights infringed because they are straight.

It's always going to be an emotionally charged topic because Homophobia is a real and present problem whilst Heterophobia is a concept that doesn't really apply to the real world.

Which Zone or Sector is that?

I assume you mean Central London its all OK

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Heterophobia does not exist. And it never will. It's offensive to suggest straight people face discrimination, because LGBT+ people actually do and it's quite horrific in some countries.. it really detracts from the actual horrors that so many gay people face. For straight people to wave their arms and state "i am oppressed by the gays!!11!" is ridiculous and really idiotic. Why do people want to be discriminated against so badly??

This. I find it utterly disgusting.