[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

Most people in hospital wards, I think I'm fright in saying, will be older people, the elderly and frail. **** them, eh? What do they matter.

No penises on female only wards. The only exception should be, in my opinion, is for transwomen who are in the process but have not yet had surgery.

A woman could attack you with a fake penis wich is more re likely to happen then a trans person doing the same.

And wot if a woman has got a cucumber in her over night bag?

My post are getting rediculus just like the argument that trans are running around hospital wards commiting sex crimes.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

A woman could attack you with a fake penis wich is more re likely to happen then a trans person doing the same.

And wot if a woman has got a cucumber in her over night bag?

My post are getting rediculus just like the argument that trans are running around hospital wards commiting sex crimes.

Who made this argument?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Who made this argument?

Those that are worried about being attacked by a trans person in a hospital.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Those that are worried about being attacked by a trans person in a hospital.

Like who?

[Niamh.]

I guess the issue is or maybe the question I suppose, does allowing self IDing in this situation allow it in all situations? as in is it a rule specific to just hospitals or if it's allowed in Hospitals does that mean it's allowed everywhere including places where it's very possible it would be abused like Prisons?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I guess the issue is or maybe the question I suppose, does allowing self IDing in this situation allow it in all situations? as in is it a rule specific to just hospitals or if it's allowed in Hospitals does that mean it's allowed everywhere including places where it's very possible it would be abused like Prisons?

I don't know, Niamh. We should probably ask a man.

Where's Vicky? She's always so eloquent on this subject...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't know, Niamh. We should probably ask a man.

Where's Vicky? She's always so eloquent on this subject...

I know, I miss her around here

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know, I miss her around here

Me too... Say hi for me if you speak to her, please x

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Me too... Say hi for me if you speak to her, please x

She still posts on FB abit

[user104658]

Oh yes, Vicky's copy-and-pasted Mumsnet ramblings are exactly what's needed to turn this thread into solid gold.

Honestly I like Vicky a lot in literally 99% of threads but when it comes to Trans issues we might as well ask on AboveTopSecret, because she was in "Taxi Driver" territory.

[Niamh.]

That's not very fair TS just because you disagree with her opinions on it, she knew alot more about it than most on here

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's not very fair TS just because you disagree with her opinions on it, she knew alot more about it than most on here

She did, because she (self-admittedly) spent hours reading about it on Mumsnet, where they have themselves whipped up into such a flurry on these issues that they are blown wildly out of all proportion. If you actually look at forums like AboveTopSecret, it's not that the members aren't knowledgeable, there are VAST amounts of knowledge on there and much of it is fascinating. But then they start getting angry about contrails and lizard people.

Vicky's knowledge on the subject of trans issues was completely overwhelmed by her own personal feelings on the subject.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She did, because she (self-admittedly) spent hours reading about it on Mumsnet, where they have themselves whipped up into such a flurry on these issues that they are blown wildly out of all proportion. If you actually look at forums like AboveTopSecret, it's not that the members aren't knowledgeable, there are VAST amounts of knowledge on there and much of it is fascinating. But then they start getting angry about contrails and lizard people.

Vicky's knowledge on the subject of trans issues was completely overwhelmed by her own personal feelings on the subject.

I think you are wrong there TS. As with anyone Vicky's opinions are formed by knowledge of a topic, not the other way round, and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She did, because she (self-admittedly) spent hours reading about it on Mumsnet, where they have themselves whipped up into such a flurry on these issues that they are blown wildly out of all proportion. If you actually look at forums like AboveTopSecret, it's not that the members aren't knowledgeable, there are VAST amounts of knowledge on there and much of it is fascinating. But then they start getting angry about contrails and lizard people.

Vicky's knowledge on the subject of trans issues was completely overwhelmed by her own personal feelings on the subject.

I do think Mumsnet can be a bit of a hostile environment, I found myself reading alot of stuff there for a period of time but I did have to step away from it. I agree too much of one subject can make you a bit obsessive but I do appreciate her knowledge on it aswell because I wouldn't like to see this (self IDing I mean) be abused by people who are not even trans. It's naive to think that wouldn't happen imo (again not really hospitals just Self IDing in general)

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's not very fair TS just because you disagree with her opinions on it, she knew alot more about it than most on here

No she didn’t! She just spoke more about it than most.

I do want her back in threads of other topics though.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

No she didn’t! She just spoke more about it than most.

I do want her back in threads of other topics though.

Yeah she did

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah she did

She could never even grasp the concept of gender

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

She could never even grasp the concept of gender

She disagreed with you, you mean? Anyway I'm not going to argue you with you about Vicky when she's not here to defend herself, it's not very fair on her

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

No she didn’t! She just spoke more about it than most.

I do want her back in threads of other topics though.

so because you don't agree with her views she is not welcome in this thread?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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so because you don't agree with her views she is not welcome in this thread?

I don’t want half the people on this thread to be on this thread tbf. I’m sure most people here feel the same (but with different people in mind).

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I don’t want half the people on this thread to be on this thread tbf. I’m sure most people here feel the same (but with different people in mind).

So you deny people a voice because you don't like what they are saying, howe very inclusive and tolerant of you

[Livia]

Worth a read... and I feel like the author has been nowhere near Mumsnet.

Trans rights will be durable only if campaigners respect women's concerns.
Women opposed to the trans agenda are informed by their experience of misogyny, not by bigotry, writes Kristina Harrison, a political campaigner

https://www.economist.com/open-futur...omens-concerns

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Worth a read... and I feel like the author has been nowhere near Mumsnet.

Trans rights will be durable only if campaigners respect women's concerns.
Women opposed to the trans agenda are informed by their experience of misogyny, not by bigotry, writes Kristina Harrison, a political campaigner

https://www.economist.com/open-futur...omens-concerns

What a great article and by a trans woman

also quoting the equality act 2010 which has been completely ignored by the men in this thread

Women are concerned with their own protections from abuse, violence, discrimination and their right to single-sex provision enshrined in the Equality Act (2010

[The Slim Reaper]

Anybody know where I can hire a trans person to attack Cherie?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Anybody know where I can hire a trans person to attack Cherie?