[Twosugars]

Next oliver will say theres no homophobia bc Graham Norton is so successful

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

A good example of giving in to racism. That's the kind of thing "acceptance" causes.

Well i wouldn't say that was a huge issue. It's more silly than anything. If you're on a call trying to sort a problem and the person has pretty bad english, it can be annoying. I wouldn't necessarily say it comes down to race. You shouldn't have to accept not being able to understand someone.

But yeah, silly trying to 'english them up'.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Next oliver will say theres no homophobia bc Graham Norton is so successful

He's Irish and all and from Cork, Bloody jesus!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

What?

Yes or no was an answer not what?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Well i wouldn't say that was a huge issue. It's more silly than anything. If you're on a call trying to sort a problem and the person has pretty bad english, it can be annoying. I wouldn't necessarily say it comes down to race. You shouldn't have to accept not being able to understand someone.

But yeah, silly trying to 'english them up'.

That's what I was referring to, it's one thing someone being unintelligible and asking someone to speak more clearly, it's another making them call themselves "Paul" rather than their own name.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That's what I was referring to, it's one thing someone being unintelligible and asking someone to speak more clearly, it's another making them call themselves "Paul" rather than their own name.

Also sorry but how many people have been on holiday in somewhere like Spain or Portugal and they've had to listen to the tourists try to tell them they need to learn the language.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also sorry but how many people have been on holiday in somewhere like Spain or Portugal and they've had to listen to the tourists try to tell them they need to learn the language.

This. Good point.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That's what I was referring to, it's one thing someone being unintelligible and asking someone to speak more clearly, it's another making them call themselves "Paul" rather than their own name.

Well the customer isn't asking them to do that, the company is, they should be held responsible. But all things considered, it's not really a big deal just silly. Not sure it needs debating.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Well the customer isn't asking them to do that, the company is, they should be held responsible. But all things considered, it's not really a big deal just silly. Not sure it needs debating.

Well, I never disputed it was the company, it's racist nonetheless and the company don't create these changes for sh*ts and giggles but because of racist abuse thrown at anyone with a hint of a foreign name or accent.

I never suggested it was a "big deal". We're discussing the issue which stems from deep-rooted prejudice.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also sorry but how many people have been on holiday in somewhere like Spain or Portugal and they've had to listen to the tourists try to tell them they need to learn the language.

Agreed, the drunken, ignorant British who go abroad and demand the locals speak english is just embarrassing.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Agreed, the drunken, ignorant British who go abroad and demand the locals speak english is just embarrassing.

Yes, and alcohol is not the cause of it. Prejudice and an air of superiority is. Alcohol just makes them more confident in expressing it.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, and alcohol is not the cause of it. Prejudice and an air of superiority is. Alcohol just makes them more confident in expressing it.

In many cases alcohol is the leading factor, not all but some. Alcohol can make a perfectly respectable person act like a complete ****head.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

In many cases alcohol is the leading factor, not all but some. Alcohol can make a perfectly respectable person act like a complete ****head.

But, the alcohol doesn't create the sh*thead is my point. It simply lowers their inhibitions.

"A drunken man's words are a sober man's thoughts" and all that.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But, the alcohol doesn't create the sh*thead is my point.

"A drunken man's words are a sober man's thoughts" and all that.

Yeah possibly. I think that's true for a lot of people, however some drunks will say outlandish things in order to hurt someone, when not necessarily believing in what they're saying.

If a white women, drunk, were to call a black man the n word, then yes it's obviously there, deep seeded or not.

However some people are just arseholes and drunkeness helps bring out their 'english entitlement'

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Yeah possibly. I think that's true for a lot of people, however some drunks will say outlandish things in order to hurt someone, when not necessarily believing in what they're saying.

If a white women, drunk, were to call a black man the n word, then yes it's obviously there, deep seeded or not.

However some people are just arseholes and drunkeness helps bring out their 'english entitlement'

And the "English entitlement" is xenophobia and racism, "white privilege" is an apt description too.

[Ammi]

...the problem with labelling, any labelling...is that it detracts from the behaviour of an individual so that people don’t take responsibility for their actions either...’he’s a stale, white, male...’...that told him...well no it didn’t, it has no value at all in describing someone or their behaviour...(...it’s generally used in my understanding...)...to describe specific behaviour or someone’s prejudices, maybe..?...but all it does is detract and distract from any such things in favour of applying a label...unacceptable behaviour itself is what should be addressed, not name calling...(..sexism toward females is often a huge issue on the forum...I am just going to pop that in there also...also racism...)...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah agree with that, I dont agree with Jessica that white people cant ever have derogatory comments against them because of their ethnicity though, no offence Jess but that's just stupid.

This. Especially on the last point.

Racism can happen to anybody imo, just because it statistically happens less to white people doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

This is NOT big brother...


I'm not seeing much love for the pale stale male on this forum, it's not their fault they were born that color..


For a forum set up to celebrate big brother, and big brother that has championed diversity for too many years for me to care to remember. For that forum and it's members to isolate and slander and name call pale stale males...really really really upsets me.

This Forum has loads of Diversity
It's a Massive Forum
section for everyone.
Far better than DigitalSpy forum

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the problem with labelling, any labelling...is that it detracts from the behaviour of an individual so that people don’t take responsibility for their actions either...’he’s a stale, white, male...’...that told him...well no it didn’t, it has no value at all in describing someone or their behaviour...(...it’s generally used in my understanding...)...to describe specific behaviour or someone’s prejudices, maybe..?...but all it does is detract and distract from any such things in favour of applying a label...unacceptable behaviour itself is what should be addressed, not name calling...(..sexism toward females is often a huge issue on the forum...I am just going to pop that in there also...also racism...)...

You Women can handle all this

The Best Women were Fighting Live last night
on the Bellator Live in Hawaii SkySportsMixHD
"Lara" Well FIT.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Shrug.

I'm a straight white male and not that young and I'm feeling the TiBB love . It's all about attitude, Parmy

...oh, that’s kind of pretty much what I said......only said so much better and succinctly...the labelling is annoying because it detracts from taking self responsibility for behaviour...

[Marsh.]

Not Toy Ammi.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Swan

Correct i don't shake a mans had and think 'oh you're a gay male', they're just male to me.

I'm the same as you on that front.

However there are some people (I'm not sure on how bigger scale) who when interacting with a gay person will judge them negatively just because they're gay, and if we look at gay males they still find it risky to come out as gay in Music because of the possible negative impact on sales perceived by the singer themselves and their record label. Where as a straight person wouldn't have to worry about that, nor be worried that they will be discriminated against for being straight (if we're being honest here) and I am a straight, white male ironically.

I wish that more people would see people as equal like you do Swan (and I honestly believe that a lot of people do try to treat everybody as equal) but I am willing to bet that if myself or a black person was fighting to become the leader of UKIP (in a hypothetical scenario) that more of the UKIP MP's/voters would want me to be in charge over the black person, even if the black person had better policies and would be a better leader for the party long term, I would still receive more votes which wouldn't be right.

I'm not great at coming up with hypotheticals, but I hope that you understand the point that I'm trying to make that in some circles people aren't treated equally.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not Toy Ammi.

...EXcUSE ME...that might be Ammi Toy, I’m thinking...

[Ammi]

...actually that might sound a bit dodgy....as you were, ignore me...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Cal.

-dances sexily-