[Niamh.]

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I think it was almost impossible for her to have shot herself in that way and for her hands to end up in the position they were across her chest still holding the gun with not a splatter of blood. Actually even forgetting about the lack of blood, I'm sure there is no way her hands could have ended up in that position if she'd just shot herself in the forehead like that. The only little thing that makes it less professional i guess is that a professional killer would know that her positioning etc would look odd but that could be explained away by maybe he just rushed it at the end because of the security guy knocking on her door, him getting out of the locked door without a trace or a sighting though is pretty odd

Also, yes the teeth aging method was pretty crazy

[Niamh.]

Oh and regarding both episodes

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Yes, that's a good spot Ammi comparing the two, the second in comparison to Jacks death looked much more like how a professional assassin would operate

[Ammi]

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...even without Jack’s ring being left on...(...and that narrowed it down to have a only been possible to be a very few people...)...his Rolex watch..?..they all have serial numbers, probably all watches do but Rolex definitely is a well known thing for anyone, let alone someone who is attempting to ‘cover up’ an assassination so a hugely traceable thing...every clothing label was removed from Jennifer’s stuff...anything that could make her traceable would have all been thought of with Jack, surely...why place his body for landfill but then leave every clue there.../...no stone left unturned etc...

...the only thing I didn’t understand with Jennifer is that they were placing her by her accent based on the Reception person having heard her speak..?...but she may have been skilled in accents/languages if she was a type of agent...

[Niamh.]

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Re Jack - Also if this was a professional hit would you really beat a person to death as well? It doesn't sound very professional, would you not use a weapon instead, it's cleaner, quicker and wouldn't cause as much of a "scene"

Re Jennifer - yes I said that to Gav as well when they mentioned her accent, if she was undercover she would surely have been putting an accent on. Also what was the story with her only having tops/jackets etc and no ends? That was weird

[Ammi]

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Interestingly, "Jennifer" is not the only person who died under mysterious circumstances in Norway, and whose background was traced to Belgium. The "Kambo" man, who was found in 1987 near train tracks in South Norway, was also found without identification on him and with the tags cut out of his clothes. Like "Jennifer," DNA testing revealed the connection to Belgium.

Furthermore, the now-infamous "Isdal" woman, found partially burned alive with poison in her stomach, was found in a remote part of Norway called Ice Valley and was similarly shown to have originated from or around Belgium. There were encrypted notes and disguises found in the woman's belongings, and the tags were cut out of her clothes. It was speculated at the time that she might have been a spy—and the similarities with "Jennifer" are eerily similar.

https://www.marieclaire.com/culture/...ved-mysteries/

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...maybe for some reason, the person who checked in with her and killed her...was unable to remove the labelling from the lower clothing so took it instead...?...sounds a bit too simplistic though...

[Niamh.]

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Well we know that they were disturbed and she was probably shot prematurely. It's unfortunate that they didn't test her system to see if she had been drugged though and all her samples had been destroyed when they came back to try and test that. No one from that region of Belgium recognised her though (but maybe she was from somewhere else in Belgium, she knew a proper address even though the number didn't exist. Maybe some weird serial killer connecting those women?

[Niamh.]

And not really important at all but......

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Did anyone else think that for a 5 star "the place rich and famous people stayed" hotel it looked really grotty and not fancy at all? I've stayed in nicer looking 3 stars

[Niamh.]

Oh also regarding episode 2 :

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I thought there was a test they could do on a persons hands/fingers to see whether she had actually fired the gun, like it leaves a residue? They never mentioned anything like that, maybe those tests weren't available then or something?

[Ammi]

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...also, as well as the lower parts of her clothing, she didn’t have anything with her, did she...any toiletries/toothbrush, hairbrush etc...nothing...?...but she had more bullets...why would she have multiple bullies to commit suicide...?..also, when the staff member knocked and the gunshot was heard...do we actually know that was the bullet that penetrated her head was what killed her...that she wasn’t already dead but that person was waiting for a member of staff or someone to knock so that they could pull the trigger, feigning the suicide, if she’d already been drugged as well...so they weren’t disturbed as such...they were waiting, sure that knock would be there soon...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And not really important at all but......

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Did anyone else think that for a 5 star "the place rich and famous people stayed" hotel it looked really grotty and not fancy at all? I've stayed in nicer looking 3 stars

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...maybe a very old, run down building that had been more the thing for celebrities/..royalty etc back in the day...?...that can be the thing as well...I think it’s been rebuilt now so it was obviously a very long time ago when it was a celebrity's hotel, I would guess.....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...also, as well as the lower parts of her clothing, she didn’t have anything with her, did she...any toiletries/toothbrush, hairbrush etc...nothing...?...but she had more bullets...why would she have multiple bullies to commit suicide...?..also, when the staff member knocked and the gunshot was heard...do we actually know that was the bullet that penetrated her head was what killed her...that she wasn’t already dead but that person was waiting for a member of staff or someone to knock so that they could pull the trigger, feigning the suicide, if she’d already been drugged as well...so they weren’t disturbed as such...they were waiting, sure that knock would be there soon...

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maybe but how did they get out without being seen? Or why would they want to try to get out without being when they've just drawn all that attention to the room? It would have been very risky leaving through the door when there's a huge chance that someone is watching the door. Unless they'd found another way in and out of there that didn't involve using the door at all?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh also regarding episode 2 :

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I thought there was a test they could do on a persons hands/fingers to see whether she had actually fired the gun, like it leaves a residue? They never mentioned anything like that, maybe those tests weren't available then or something?

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...yeah he said that so much hadn’t been available then so I presumed that was something as well...her teeth though were able to be tested with modern forensics to help age her...

[Niamh.]

And I wonder.....

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If we go with the theory that she was murdered, who wanted her identity hidden so badly and so thoroughly, herself or the murderer?

[Niamh.]

Oh Ammi I've just found these 2 theories, have a look :

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Mr. F killed Jennifer Fairgate

With so little to go on, armchair detectives on Reddit have honed in on the suspicious "Mr. F," a Belgian man who was staying in the room next door the night Fairgate was killed. Per VG, he claimed to have heard nothing that night, and said he learned of Fairgate's death from the front desk when he checked out Saturday morning — but the body wasn't found until Saturday night. He was never interviewed by the police, and he stopped returning Wegner's calls after Wegner began to grill him about Oslo.

"I think Mr. F needs to be investigated," one Reddit user wrote. "Especially considering Mr. F's slip up, it would match that she died on Friday night."

The murderer was in room 2816
Others theorize that Fairgate's murderer was staying in room 2816, as Fairgate had a newspaper in her room that was labeled for 2816, not 2805. There was a thumb print on the bag, which has yet to be identified. Because old hotel registration cards were discarded in an office move in 2010, no one knows who was actually staying in 2816.
https://www.bustle.com/entertainment...eries-season-2

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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maybe but how did they get out without being seen? Or why would they want to try to get out without being when they've just drawn all that attention to the room? It would have been very risky leaving through the door when there's a huge chance that someone is watching the door. Unless they'd found another way in and out of there that didn't involve using the door at all?

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...I can’t think of any other way in or out of the room that others wouldn’t have either known about or found/...thought about...the guy kept saying that a locked door was nothing at all to someone ‘professional’ ...but he didn’t offer any other explanation or possibility of an exit...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...I can’t think of any other way in or out of the room that others wouldn’t have either known about or found/...thought about...the guy kept saying that a locked door was nothing at all to someone ‘professional’ ...but he didn’t offer any other explanation or possibility of an exit...

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He did say that but what the murderer would have had to do was open it from the inside because he was in there already (which obviously would be easy) but then re lock it from the outside but using the inside only lock all while hoping that no one was outside the room just after he'd fired a gun...so a pretty good chance someone would be watching the room........

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh Ammi I've just found these 2 theories, have a look :

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Mr. F killed Jennifer Fairgate

With so little to go on, armchair detectives on Reddit have honed in on the suspicious "Mr. F," a Belgian man who was staying in the room next door the night Fairgate was killed. Per VG, he claimed to have heard nothing that night, and said he learned of Fairgate's death from the front desk when he checked out Saturday morning — but the body wasn't found until Saturday night. He was never interviewed by the police, and he stopped returning Wegner's calls after Wegner began to grill him about Oslo.

"I think Mr. F needs to be investigated," one Reddit user wrote. "Especially considering Mr. F's slip up, it would match that she died on Friday night."

The murderer was in room 2816
Others theorize that Fairgate's murderer was staying in room 2816, as Fairgate had a newspaper in her room that was labeled for 2816, not 2805. There was a thumb print on the bag, which has yet to be identified. Because old hotel registration cards were discarded in an office move in 2010, no one knows who was actually staying in 2816.
https://www.bustle.com/entertainment...eries-season-2

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...hmmmmmm, that all could also fit in with your ‘perhaps there was a serial killer’ responsible for other similar unexplained Oslo deaths theory....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...hmmmmmm, that all could also fit in with your ‘perhaps there was a serial killer’ responsible for other similar unexplained Oslo deaths theory....

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Maybe she was a high class escort or something, it was a classy hotel had very rich guests, maybe the hotel knew why she was there and that's why they had "forgotten" to get a credit card from her, maybe she had accidentally died in the company of someone who had the means, power and pull to cover it up.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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Maybe she was a high class escort or something, it was a classy hotel had very rich guests, maybe the hotel knew why she was there and that's why they had "forgotten" to get a credit card from her, maybe she had accidentally died in the company of someone who had the means, power and pull to cover it up.

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...maybe even one or more of the hotel staff helped with the cover up as well because the hotel allowed her to stay for specific high profile guests which wouldn’t look great for them either...?..wouldn’t that fit in perfectly as well...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...maybe even one or more of the hotel staff helped with the cover up as well because the hotel allowed her to stay for specific high profile guests which wouldn’t look great for them either...?..wouldn’t that fit in perfectly as well...

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It would actually, plus they had the records from the room key of how many times she had entered the room and there was one period of time when she'd been out of the room for 20 hours, maybe she was in somebody elses room and died there and she didn't actually come back to her room but was "put" back........ they really need us on this case, i think we've cracked it

[Smithy]

Gonna watch Ep 2 later but just re ep 1

If it was an assassination why chose such a messy way? Usually you’d expect a bullet to the head, clean and simple

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Gonna watch Ep 2 later but just re ep 1

If it was an assassination why chose such a messy way? Usually you’d expect a bullet to the head, clean and simple

That's exactly what I said as well

[Niamh.]

Not to mention all the attention and noise beating someone to death could cause, it doesn't scream professional hit to me unless of course he was taken somewhere private and was beaten to get information and then later dumped in the bin

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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It would actually, plus they had the records from the room key of how many times she had entered the room and there was one period of time when she'd been out of the room for 20 hours, maybe she was in somebody elses room and died there and she didn't actually come back to her room but was "put" back........ they really need us on this case, i think we've cracked it

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...we did crack it all and it only took a few hours with no detective training, look at us...99.1% suicide thought...but they didn’t account for that .9% TIBB people looking at it and saying....nope, not on our watch was there any suicide...if someone is dead then it had to be murder and it’s an inside job for sure../...a conspiracy of multiple guilts...

[Ammi]

...so far this series, the stories are all completely different so will get your thoughts going in different ways, which I’m liking actually...