[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, so you're ignoring the fact that protests are pretty much always peaceful when the right wing armed militia doesn't turn up to incite violence because acknowledging that completely dismantles your wrong argument that the protests themselves are inherently violent. When you have to ignore reality to make your point work, you've already lost.

What are your opinions on the video i posted? Or did you not watch?

Do you not think the woman has a point? (regardless of anything else)

[Father Chris Mouse]

Im not angry Dezzy, it's just very frustrating that common sense has gone out the window. Even if every single protest that has turned violent was incited by extreme ring wingers, why would the protesters then react by destroying buildings, cars and other property owned by the people they are 'fighting for'. Why not just fight the person or people provoking them?

Fwiw, im not defending the fact 17 year old kids are allowed to walk the streets 'patrolling' with AK-47's or whatever. Im not getting into that argument because i think everyone involved in that incident acted poorly, and every story seems to be different. It's also little to do with the point im trying to make.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

Im not angry Dezzy, it's just very frustrating that common sense has gone out the window. Even if every single protest that has turned violent was incited by extreme ring wingers, why would the protesters then react by destroying buildings, cars and other property owned by the people they are 'fighting for'. Why not just fight the person or people provoking them?

Fwiw, im not defending the fact 17 year old kids are allowed to walk the streets 'patrolling' with AK-47's or whatever. Im not getting into that argument because i think everyone involved in that incident acted poorly, and every story seems to be different. It's also little to do with the point im trying to make.

A shooter kills two people and 'everyone acted poorly'? What is the logic in that?

Also, as to your point, the police themselves are saying it's the WS that are sabotaging protests, why do you instantly think that means that the WS provoked an incident and the protesters ran with it? How can you say in one breath they should fight the people provoking them and then, in the next, say how 'everyone acted poorly' when a shooter shot one person and everyone then tried to apprehend him? What exactly are you trying to say here because your point is very conflicted.

The fact that protests basically always go peacefully when there aren't militia's inciting violence should tell you where the blame lies.

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A shooter kills two people and 'everyone acted poorly'? What is the logic in that?

Also, as to your point, the police themselves are saying it's the WS that are sabotaging protests, why do you instantly think that means that the WS provoked an incident and the protesters ran with it? How can you say in one breath they should fight the people provoking them and then, in the next, say how 'everyone acted poorly' when a shooter shot one person and everyone then tried to apprehend him? What exactly are you trying to say here because your point is very conflicted.

The fact that protests basically always go peacefully when there aren't militia's inciting violence should tell you where the blame lies.

My point is perfectly clear, why wreck and destroy the property of the innocent, in most cases the people they are fighting for, and say your fighting for them?

Also as for you twisting the argument and ignoring my viewpoint with your 'yeah but', i'll bite (you still haven't acknowledged the woman in the video i posted who is actually spot on) -

The video i watched of that kid shooter was with people running at him at all angles, yeah they probably were trying to disarm him but it was the wrong thing to do, if left he wouldn't have just randomly shot people. Lets not forget his age, he was a 17 year old kid and when people ran at him, kicking him etc he was obviously gonna shoot. Also someone else pulled a gun out, right? He shouldn't have been there in the first place one, two his parents should be ashamed for allowing him to even be there, three America's relation with guns is appalling. He simply shouldn't have been there. But to say everyone but him involved was innocent is completely incorrect, and no, no body deserved to die.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Swan

My point is perfectly clear, why wreck and destroy the property of the innocent, in most cases the people they are fighting for, and say your fighting for them?

Also as for you twisting the argument and ignoring my viewpoint with your 'yeah but', i'll bite (you still haven't acknowledged the woman in the video i posted who is actually spot on) -

The video i watched of that kid shooter was with people running at him at all angles, yeah they probably were trying to disarm him but it was the wrong thing to do, if left he wouldn't have just randomly shot people. Lets not forget his age, he was a 17 year old kid and when people ran at him, kicking him etc he was obviously gonna shoot. Also someone else pulled a gun out, right? He shouldn't have been there in the first place one, two his parents should be ashamed for allowing him to even be there, three America's relation with guns is appalling. He simply shouldn't have been there. But to say everyone but him involved was innocent is completely incorrect, and no, no body deserved to die.

Hadn’t it just murdered someone?

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Hadn’t it just murdered someone?

Yes, so they knew what he was capable of, running at him was completely the wrong thing to do. He was obviously in the wrong, and had no problem pulling the trigger, why would you run at him?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Swan

Yes, so they knew what he was capable of, running at him was completely the wrong thing to do. He was obviously in the wrong, and had no problem pulling the trigger, why would you run at him?

the same reason that the public ran to disable that attacker at london bridge, concern for your fellow man and stopping a nutter inflicting more damage

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the same reason that the public ran to disable that attacker at london bridge, concern for your fellow man and stopping a nutter inflicting more damage

He wasn't randomly shooting, it was completely different. He wouldn't have shot imo if they hadn't run at him.

The best thing to do with any kind of situation like that is to get away/stay away, your intentions might be good but you're endangering yourself and other lives within 'range'. If a group of say 20 people are standing there, and 2 run at a terrorist with a gun, if he starts spraying bullets anyone could be injured/and or killed.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Swan

He wasn't randomly shooting, it was completely different. He wouldn't have shot imo if they hadn't run at him.

The best thing to do with any kind of situation like that is to get away/stay away, your intentions might be good but you're endangering yourself and other lives within 'range'. If a group of say 20 people are standing there, and 2 run at a terrorist with a gun, if he starts spraying bullets anyone could be injured/and or killed.

He had already randomly shot and killed someone...

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

He had already randomly shot and killed someone...

Even if that was the case, which hasn't been proven it was random, would it be the best thing to do to run at a terrorist with a gun?

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Swan

Even if that was the case, which hasn't been proven it was random, would it be the best thing to do to run at a terrorist with a gun?

Just let him continue randomly killing people then

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Just let him continue randomly killing people then

You have first hand knowledge he would have shot those people had they not run at him?

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Swan

You have first hand knowledge he would have shot those people had they not run at him?

Well he had already killed someone so it’s safe to say he went with one intention

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Well he had already killed someone so it’s safe to say he went with one intention

Hence why staying away from him would have been the best option.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

It was self defense and hopefully he will get off . He was attacked by a violent extreme left mob. Poor lad was terrified.

[Josy]

Can we stop reporting posts from this thread that arent breaking any rules, in fact it's becoming a bit of a pattern in this section in general

Members are allowed an opinion.

If you dont agree with someone elses opinion on a topic and take offense that they dont share the same views as you then maybe serious debates isnt for you, the clue is kinda in the name.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, so you're ignoring the fact that protests are pretty much always peaceful when the right wing armed militia doesn't turn up to incite violence

Have you any proof of this? I know you posted a link that said some bot twitter accounts were sending out incendiary messages, but that doesn't mean those tweets were acted upon. Have you any actual proof it's right wing people causing the riots, rather than the protesters ... who were already there, high on the fumes of the "race war" rhetoric?

[Father Chris Mouse]

Still think it's a shame no one arguing for the destruction caused by the movement, yet didn't watch the video i posted by someone actually going through, living through this.

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...&postcount=137

I am with this woman all the way. Unfortunately my point of view got derailed with 'yeah buts'. But that video really does show how this sort destruction is making lives harder for many black people.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Swan

Still think it's a shame no one arguing for the destruction caused by the movement, yet didn't watch the video i posted by someone actually going through, living through this.

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...&postcount=137

I am with this woman all the way. Unfortunately my point of view got derailed with 'yeah buts'. But that video really does show how this sort destruction is making lives harder for many black people.

I frankly don't care who is behind the destruction, they're scumbags whether they be left or right

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I frankly don't care who is behind the destruction, they're scumbags whether they be left or right

Yeah agreed, but like in the video, the woman actually has to live in the neighbourhood they're destroying is absolutely spot on. Watch the video, in this case it's the BLM small minority of rioters/looters etc..

The people 'helping' just move on and care little for the lives they're making miserable in their wake!

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Smart lady

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Josy

Can we stop reporting posts from this thread that arent breaking any rules, in fact it's becoming a bit of a pattern in this section in general

Members are allowed an opinion.

If you dont agree with someone elses opinion on a topic and take offense that they dont share the same views as you then maybe serious debates isnt for you, the clue is kinda in the name.

But what do you class as an opinion?

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Denver

But what do you class as an opinion?

A viewpoint that differs from yours?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Have you any proof of this? I know you posted a link that said some bot twitter accounts were sending out incendiary messages, but that doesn't mean those tweets were acted upon. Have you any actual proof it's right wing people causing the riots, rather than the protesters ... who were already there, high on the fumes of the "race war" rhetoric?

I posted several links alongside the twitter one that detailed the same story happening in different cities, police confirming white supremacist groups inciting riots to disparage BLM. Basically, pay attention?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

he engaged in a politically motivated attack on protesters, you know what another word for that is? Terrorism.

Or to put it another way, he was there to defend property from rioters. Rioters who were apparently white supremacists.

The rioters who were engaging in politically motivated attacks on the city, and do you know what another word for that is?