[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what kind of weird moderation is going on in this thread?

all sorts of legit content is being deleted

slim can post this inaccurate stuff:

Only just seen this, but i'm sure I've spoken abut picnics on here before. It's actually 2 issues at play here. First off, the association of picnics, including cannibalistic and trophy collection from black lynchings, but it's also coupled with a bit of a myth that popped up within former slaves, and it's been passed on down their descendants. Namely that the word picnic is derived from "pick a n*****"

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I post a Reuters fact check proving that Picnic has nothing to do with race and its gets deleted

wtf

what is the agenda here???
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What he said isn't inaccurate to be fair - he did say that the "pick-a" etymology of picnic is "a myth"/misconception that's been handed down generationally. That is accurate. I think the disagreement would be around whether or not it's sensible to ban a word "with innocent origins" based on the offense it might cause due to those misconceptions.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The issue for me will always be simply in ability to debate and justify a stance. If someone can do that then I'm more than willing to hear them out no matter what their stance happens to be. If they start parroting mantras and insisting on what "is and isn't right and wrong" but on a little prodding are clearly just repeating a script rather than having any real thought or logic behind it... then to me that's really just a different flavor of ignorance.

I know a lot of people believe that if someone accidentally happens to fall on "the right side of the fence" then that's all good for strength in numbers and it doesn't really matter if they have a clue what they're talking about or not... but I would counter that their mindset is a bigger problem than the beliefs. Put that person in a different echo chambre for a month or two and they're going to come out humming a completely different tune. Because if they don't have the critical reasoning skills to form and back up their own genuine opinion, then they don't have the structures in place to avoid indocrination full stop.

In a nutshell that is my main issue with a lot of "woke people". Throw a couple of tougher questions at them and it becomes evident that there's absolutely **** all reasoning behind their opinions.

People can still have an opinion though without knowing all the ins and outs.

The debater can change my opinion or educate me.

Suppose it depends on the speaker's knowledge of the subject.

Yes, you have to have some thought and logic.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what kind of weird moderation is going on in this thread?

all sorts of legit content is being deleted

slim can post this inaccurate stuff:

Only just seen this, but i'm sure I've spoken abut picnics on here before. It's actually 2 issues at play here. First off, the association of picnics, including cannibalistic and trophy collection from black lynchings, but it's also coupled with a bit of a myth that popped up within former slaves, and it's been passed on down their descendants. Namely that the word picnic is derived from "pick a n*****"

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I post a Reuters fact check proving that Picnic has nothing to do with race and its gets deleted

wtf

what is the agenda here???
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As TS pointed out, nothing I said was incorrect, and I think mods were trying to help with the clear up of the constant spamming of pictures instead of discussion - which is all I asked for in this thread. I made it pretty clear in the op, and the one instant you try to make a semi-legitimate point (you only made it because you thought you'd caught me out). you got caught up in a sweep of Arista posting picnic hampers.

There was no agenda

And if it's legitimate, put it into your own words.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

People can still have an opinion though without knowing all the ins and outs.

Well yes and it's unrealistic to expect anyone to know ALL of the ins and outs, that's the whole point of debate, but when someone appears to know essentially NONE of the ins and outs, can't explain any of their reasoning to you, and are simply repeating verbatim arguments they've heard elsewhere... I struggle to find those opinions really worth listening to.

Doesn't even mean they're wrong. Obviously anyone can throw a dart and have it land on a sensible conclusion. I just place a fair bit of stock in knowing that it is actually their conclusion. In short, I suppose, I'm saying I have far more time for someone with a polar-opposite opinion to mine who has a strong argument backing up that opinion, than I do for someone who happens to agree with me but has little reasoning to share.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by the slim reaper

as ts pointed out, nothing i said was incorrect, and i think mods were trying to help with the clear up of the constant spamming of pictures instead of discussion - which is all i asked for in this thread. I made it pretty clear in the op, and the one instant you try to make a semi-legitimate point (you only made it because you thought you'd caught me out). You got caught up in a sweep of arista posting picnic hampers.

There was no agenda

and if it's legitimate, put it into your own words.

thanks but i will post how i like not how you want

this thread is ironically proof of what it is trying to debunk

[user104658]

I actually think it could be fair enough/interesting to allow thread-starters to set official parameters for threads. It would have to be an "official rule" though and I doubt we have the moderation capacity for it these days.

I'd also stipulate that in SD's it couldn't include restricting alternate GENUINE opinion, no to echo chambers , but I do think "no just spamming images", "no just posting links without comment to go with it", "no replying just to the poster above", "decent length responses only" (or even "keep responses succinct and don't meander off into random allegories"... if one was so inclined... ...) could be fair enough requests when starting a thread.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

thanks but i will post how i like not how you want

this thread is ironically proof of what it is trying to debunk

Lets not act like you haven't constantly spammed stupid pictures throughout the whole thread. I tried to set up one thread to have a proper discussion, and even that was too much for you, so you've had to troll.

Pretty sure it's not a coincidence that it's only you and Arista that have done it, when you never post your opinions, and Arista never posts a sentence. I don't watch drag race, so you never see me in those threads, so if you can't put your thoughts into a coherent paragraph, then maybe threads asking for coherent paragraphs just aren't for you.

Keep going though, I'm sure you can get it closed down if you carry on.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Liv tried the exact same thing earlier, too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Lets not act like you haven't constantly spammed stupid pictures throughout the whole thread. I tried to set up one thread to have a proper discussion, and even that was too much for you, so you've had to troll.

Pretty sure it's not a coincidence that it's only you and Arista that have done it, when you never post your opinions, and Arista never posts a sentence. I don't watch drag race, so you never see me in those threads, so if you can't put your thoughts into a coherent paragraph, then maybe threads asking for coherent paragraphs just aren't for you.

Keep going though, I'm sure you can get it closed down if you carry on.

^^^

blah blah sly dig

blah blah member insult



yeah slim REAL coherence

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually think it could be fair enough/interesting to allow thread-starters to set official parameters for threads. It would have to be an "official rule" though and I doubt we have the moderation capacity for it these days.

I'd also stipulate that in SD's it couldn't include restricting alternate GENUINE opinion, no to echo chambers , but I do think "no just spamming images", "no just posting links without comment to go with it", "no replying just to the poster above", "decent length responses only" (or even "keep responses succinct and don't meander off into random allegories"... if one was so inclined... ...) could be fair enough requests when starting a thread.

Let Vicky live!!!

[The Slim Reaper]

If I had argued myself into a corner, I'd put my fingers in my ears and go "lalalala" too.

All of it is facts. You couldn't even get to the end of page 2 before the spamming started. I think if you read the first few posts you'll see that the idea of the thread and setting up the rules was well received.

I don't post vimeo vids in your YT thread.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Let Vicky live!!!

And Ammi!

like I enjoy peoples different posting styles

not sure what the problem is tbh

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

And Ammi!

like I enjoy peoples different posting styles

not sure what the problem is tbh

It's not about posting styles because we all have our own versions. I just wanted a good faith discussion for once. Nowhere in the OP does it say anything about ellipses and Ammi or nonsense and Annie, all it says is that I want peoples opinions. Why that should be controversial or fought against in SD is truly bizarre.

[thesheriff443]

Why would you want to keep spending hours and hours on here arguing a point of view on a subject that you can’t do anything about or change the opinion of someone else who doesn’t agree with you.

Intelligence tells me it’s a waste of time

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Why would you want to keep spending hours and hours on here arguing a point of view on a subject that you can’t do anything about or change the opinion of someone else who doesn’t agree with you.

Intelligence tells me it’s a waste of time

Why do you feel the need to enter any debate topic and tell the people who take part how superior you are because you don't wish to take part, except when you do.

Intelligence tells me you're a fake.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

And Ammi!

like I enjoy peoples different posting styles

not sure what the problem is tbh

restricting freedoms is restricting freedoms

its woke and its negative

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's not about posting styles because we all have our own versions. I just wanted a good faith discussion for once. Nowhere in the OP does it say anything about ellipses and Ammi or nonsense and Annie, all it says is that I want peoples opinions. Why that should be controversial or fought against in SD is truly bizarre.

You're probably wasting your time.

I think TiBB is the wrong forum for deep debate.

Too many on here have lived very sheltered lives, which is fine, we all have different circumstances.

Thankfully, I was banned for well over a decade so I was able to venture out and experience life etc. Life experience helps develop debate and wisdom.

Alternatively, people just want to have fun and not be serious.

I think it's such a shame DS has closed a lot of their main forums because if you wanted a debate you sure could get it there. Their traffic was immense whereas TiBB is on a very slow trajectory into the sea. This place has got so quiet you struggle to even gather enough members to have a good debate.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why do you feel the need to enter any debate topic and tell the people who take part how superior you are because you don't wish to take part, except when you do.

Intelligence tells me you're a fake.

Your lack of intelligence tells me I’m right
Stay pressed.

[Beso]

I dont understand these words.

Can someone make a list of all these words, with their meanings, and make a sticky thread please.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Your lack of intelligence tells me I’m right
Stay pressed.

Nothing to say? Thought so. Stick to the insults.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I dont understand these words.

Can someone make a list of all these words, with their meanings, and make a sticky thread please.

Google helps

[Beso]

I'm confused, is marsh now woke?

[ThomasC]

I think we all need to sit back and calm down.

ORDER, ORDER, ORDER. Your Queen has spoken.

Yours faithfully,

Thomas

[Beso]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Google helps

You used to have an answer to a question within minutes on tibb in the past.

Before all these new words came along things were fine.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You used to have an answer to a question within minutes on tibb in the past.

Before all these new words came along things were fine.

Viewing figures dramatically dropped when I LEFT.

I fear that there is no return.

I do apologise.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Why would you want to keep spending hours and hours on here arguing a point of view on a subject that you can’t do anything about or change the opinion of someone else who doesn’t agree with you.

Intelligence tells me it’s a waste of time

A good debate is as much (for me personally, moreso) about examining, challenging and refining your own thoughts on the debate topic as it is about “changing other people’s minds”.

As for whether or not TiBB is the right place for it, often the answer is no, but there’s also a different type of discussion to be had between a smaller group of people that has a long-term measure of each other than there is just having robust standalone debates with strangers. There are plenty of places on the internet you can go for that.