[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I'm pretty sure the player is also Spanish, and is a footballer, and she appears to disagree that this was "acceptable Spanish football passion"



You don't get "caught up in the moment" and overstep into someone's personal space without a clear underlying disregard for that space in the first place. Is that all it takes to excuse a mindset of entitlement? A slip of concentration? Even if you're right, the message has to be delivered as swiftly and decisively as possible that over-stepping like this will land you in hot water.

I think you'll find that, miraculously, once the line is clear far fewer men get "caught up in the moment". Funny, that.

Sorry don’t agree with you

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If you know any thing about Spanish football, you would know how passionate and how fierce they are when it comes to football

I believe he just got caught up in the moment

And you double kiss on each cheek when meeting people so again kissing is not seen a strange thing to do.

That’s all very plausible had he not have a long , long history of this type of thing


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[bots]

it's escalated into much more than a kiss. Old scores are being settled, there is corruption at the heart of it. Obviously those in power will not give all that up without a fight

[Crimson Dynamo]

The video of them in the dressing room shrieking and laughing at the social media comments shouting a giggling as they asked "did he use tongues?" is not a great look..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The video of them in the dressing room shrieking and laughing at the social media comments shouting a giggling as they asked "did he use tongues?" is not a great look..

Ah the Perfect Victim fallacy now.

Maybe she shouldn't have been wearing those skimpy football shorts

(Perfect Victim fallacy is a well known trope in situations like this, i.e. if the victim isn't behaving "the way a victim is s'pposed to" behave then their victimhood is lessened or negated, and the perpetrator's actions excused in hindsight).

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The video of them in the dressing room shrieking and laughing at the social media comments shouting a giggling as they asked "did he use tongues?" is not a great look..

If that report is accurate ( link ?) then they may be just teasing her to lighten the situation or lift her spirits with some humour


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

If that report is accurate ( link ?) then they may be just teasing her to lighten the situation or lift her spirits with some humour

Indeed, like I said it's the mytho of the perfect victim and how people are supposed to behave. Just because she didn't want it, and was uncomfortable with it, doesn't mean she was traumatised by it. It also doesn't change the facts.

Sadly, for example, there are people out there who are so used to being abused and assaulted that they think nothing of it when it happens. And because they don't seem horrendously upset or shaken by it, the assumption is that "it can't actually have happened because they'd be more upset if it did".

[bots]

tell me LT, would you grab your crotch in celebration knowing that millions of people were watching?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

tell me LT, would you grab your crotch in celebration knowing that millions of people were watching?

Grabbing one's dick to celebrate one's country's women's team winning the world cup is a Freudian goldmine.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

tell me LT, would you grab your crotch in celebration knowing that millions of people were watching?

rather than get the old lad out and do the windmill?

[thesheriff443]

I will add having had a Spanish partner for six years a massive Real Madrid fan and standing in the stands in Spain

People on here won’t be able to understand what it’s like to be a Spanish football supporter

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I will add having had a Spanish partner for six years a massive Real Madrid fan and standing in the stands in Spain

People on here won’t be able to understand what it’s like to be a Spanish football supporter

I don't need to understand what it's like to be a male Spanish football supporter in order to understand that this female Spanish football player didn't want to be kissed by this bloke and was uncomfortable with it. But maybe you know better than her as well?

Maybe none of these weepy lady victims can understand what it's like to be the passioante men who assault them, eh Sheriff. A failing on their part, really.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I don't need to understand what it's like to be a male Spanish football supporter in order to understand that this female Spanish football player didn't want to be kissed by this bloke and was uncomfortable with it. But maybe you know better than her as well?

Maybe none of these weepy lady victims can understand what it's like to be the passioante men who assault them, eh Sheriff. A failing on their part, really.

I don’t trust any man such as yourself that demonise other men who have a different opinion to you

Your not a woman, your man that wants to been seen as this upstanding decent person who cares so very much for the safety of women

Your crap don’t wash with me.

[The Slim Reaper]

In other news, police are still searching for this dude who was caught on CCTV in Fuengirola about 6 years ago.

Stay vigilant out there, people.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I don’t trust any man such as yourself that demonise other men who have a different opinion to you

I'm not looking for your trust sheriff, nor the trust of anyone who thinks "football fan passion" is an excuse for lacking self control and invading someone's space.

Your not a woman, your man that wants to been seen as this upstanding decent person who cares so very much for the safety of women

Your crap don’t wash with me.

I think it's fairly evident that I don't give a stuff "how I'm seen" - least of all on here . I just do actually care. I find it worrying that you think men who vocally care about the safety of women must be full of crap .

It's OK I get it, you're a man's man. So long as no big blokey feelings are getting hurt, the rest is all fair game. Poor wee souls.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I'm not looking for your trust sheriff, nor the trust of anyone who thinks "football fan passion" is an excuse for lacking self control and invading someone's space.



I think it's fairly evident that I don't give a stuff "how I'm seen" - least of all on here . I just do actually care. I find it worrying that you think men who vocally care about the safety of women must be full of crap .

It's OK I get it, you're a man's man. So long as no big blokey feelings are getting hurt, the rest is all fair game. Poor wee souls.

To add to that you have a wife and two daughters, it would be weird if you weren't concerned about the safety of girls/women, surely?

[Sticks]

How can any Spanish court look at this, it happened in Australia, outside their jurisdiction and I do not hear or read of the Australian authorities bothering with this?

Fuss about nothing, possibly by a floozey seeking a grubby gold digging payday, whilst their friends eyes light up with pound or dollar signs and like others elsewhere jump up and down and say "Me too, Me too, I want a pay day please, Me too"

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Sticks

How can any Spanish court look at this, it happened in Australia, outside their jurisdiction and I do not hear or read of the Australian authorities bothering with this?

Fuss about nothing, possibly by a floozey seeking a grubby gold digging payday, whilst their friends eyes light up with pound or dollar signs and like others elsewhere jump up and down and say "Me too, Me too, I want a pay day please, Me too"

exactly


it isn't even a real MeToo case anyway, other women have coped with way worse, you know those who actually got raped, actually got sexually assaulted


not just some lame kiss on the lips

[Crimson Dynamo]

New footage shows Jenni Hermoso laughing and joking on the team bus about Luis
Rubiales kissing her after Women's World Cup final - before team-mates chant 'kiss' when
the Spanish chief gets on board

• New footage has showed Jenni Hermoso joking with her Spain team-mates
• Hermoso is shown to be laughing at memes of her being kissed by Luis Rubiales

The leaked footage, posted on Twitter account Alvise Perez, appeared
alongside the hard-hitting message: 'Let's begin @Jennihermoso.

1) Why were you showing off with your teammates and posing as you
laughed with the meme of your short kiss with Rubiales?

2) Why are all your team-mates who now say they're scandalised shouting
with you at Rubiales 'Kiss' on the bus after seeing the peck on the lips?

3) Why did you ask Rubiales jokingly for a kiss on the bus, and why did you
laugh when he replied, 'No, you're making me blush?'

'I don't want you to 'say the truth' because Spain today knows it.

'I want you to go to prison.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tml#newcomment

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

'I want you to go to prison.'

PRISON! the Daily Mail comments section, ladies and gentlemen.

"I didn't like that kiss and didn't want that man to kiss me."

"BUT YOU LAUGHED ABOUT IT WITH YOUR FRIENDS!! Straight to jail with you!"

how do these people get through the day full of this sort of over-the-top bile?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

PRISON! the Daily Mail comments section, ladies and gentlemen.

"I didn't like that kiss and didn't want that man to kiss me."

"BUT YOU LAUGHED ABOUT IT WITH YOUR FRIENDS!! Straight to jail with you!"

how do these people get through the day full of this sort of over-the-top bile?

If you read the article that is a Spanish tweet not a DM comment

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

New footage shows Jenni Hermoso laughing and joking on the team bus about Luis
Rubiales kissing her after Women's World Cup final - before team-mates chant 'kiss' when
the Spanish chief gets on board

• New footage has showed Jenni Hermoso joking with her Spain team-mates
• Hermoso is shown to be laughing at memes of her being kissed by Luis Rubiales

The leaked footage, posted on Twitter account Alvise Perez, appeared
alongside the hard-hitting message: 'Let's begin @Jennihermoso.

1) Why were you showing off with your teammates and posing as you
laughed with the meme of your short kiss with Rubiales?

2) Why are all your team-mates who now say they're scandalised shouting
with you at Rubiales 'Kiss' on the bus after seeing the peck on the lips?

3) Why did you ask Rubiales jokingly for a kiss on the bus, and why did you
laugh when he replied, 'No, you're making me blush?'

'I don't want you to 'say the truth' because Spain today knows it.

'I want you to go to prison.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tml#newcomment

this is soooo the type of behaviour of someone who is allegedly ''sexually assaulted''

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

this is soooo the type of behaviour of someone who is allegedly ''sexually assaulted''

So what is the "sort of behaviour" of someone who has been assaulted, Nicky? You seem to know what "isn't", so I assume you know what "is".

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

So what is the "sort of behaviour" of someone who has been assaulted, Nicky? You seem to know what "isn't", so I assume you know what "is".

at least not someone who makes jokes about that on the bus



we all know what is though? from actual rape victims, how they suffer from that trauma and need help weeks, months even years after that assault had taken place

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

at least not someone who makes jokes about that on the bus



we all know what is though? from actual rape victims, how they suffer from that trauma and need help weeks, months even years after that assault had taken place

The answer is that there is no usual or expected response from an assault victim; some people are traumatised, some people stuff down their feelings about it, some people genuinely aren't hugely affected at all. And some make jokes. "Expecting" a certain response is a mistake... everyone is different. This argument has been used to get rapists off the hook countless times... "victim didn't seem upset enough for it to be true".