[Livia]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

No one mentioned wife beating in relation to this thread at all until Cherie brought up "match day" domestic violence, which I'd mentioned in another thread, weeks ago, and is a very real and well understood issue that every domestic violence service and police force in the country is well aware of. I have no idea why people are so keen to dismiss it as untrue. It just is, factually, real. Clearly it caught in Cherie's throat at the time and it was brought up here weeks later in a totally different context, you'd have to ask her for the reason for that.

Men enjoying ogling women half their age is gross, organisations exploiting the fact that they do for advertising/profit is 10x more gross. I'm not going to change my opinion on either of those things. And they do play into a general public mindset that is ultimately damaging. There's ample evidence that it isn't "harmless".



Slightly baity because it'll take the whole thing right off topic but you're simply wrong. Gammon is a term that makes people uncomfortable and that's why I use it when I use it. I'm well aware that the issue is male objectification if women, not "teh white men", for example there's a massive problem with males in Muslim communities and their attitudes towards women and girls, and the way they view western women and girls (extreme objectification and dehumanisation plays heavily into the issue of grooming gangs, for example). I've said all of this, clearly and openly, in threads on those topics but you fairly consistently ignore those posts and misrepresented me as "only having an issue with white men" so this isn't unusual Cherie. As you were.



I'm only going to take one final swipe at this because again, brick wall, Liam simply doesn't understand the distinction -- this (none of this) has anything at all to do with the choices being made by women.

You're such a literalist... until it suits you not to be.

Much, much too long a mitigation when I've seen for myself what you've said and how insulting you've been.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're such a literalist... until it suits you not to be.

Much, much too long a mitigation when I've seen for myself what you've said and how insulting you've been.

There's not much to say on that other than "we're on TiBB". Is that a bit of a flippant stance? Maybe? There's no one here that doesn't basically understand what I mean. This isn't the place for serious discussions, not ever, we all know that. Sometimes I have the energy for it, mostly I've just accepted that this is a platform for venting biases like everyone else here does constantly. The funny thing is we do also enjoy being critical of each other for that.

It could have been better, I say that plenty. It just plainly isn't. The options are accepting the platform for what it is, or not coming on at all.

[Liam-]

I’m happy in the knowledge that I don’t look down on woman for what they choose to do in their careers, also that I don’t put women’s careers against each other, or think they’re naive beings who don’t really understand anything if they chose a career that I don’t like.

It’s nice to know that people are happy to discredit peoples opinions based on their gender and sexuality though, I guess the journey to ‘true’ feminism brings out the biases in people

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m happy in the knowledge that I don’t look down on woman for what they choose to do in their careers, also that I don’t put women’s careers against each other, or think they’re naive beings who don’t really understand anything if they chose a career that I don’t like.

It’s nice to know that people are happy to discredit peoples opinions based on their gender and sexuality though, I guess the journey to ‘true’ feminism brings out the biases in people

You're great 👍

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m happy in the knowledge that I don’t look down on woman for what they choose to do in their careers, also that I don’t put women’s careers against each other, or think they’re naive beings who don’t really understand anything if they chose a career that I don’t like.

It’s nice to know that people are happy to discredit peoples opinions based on their gender and sexuality though, I guess the journey to ‘true’ feminism brings out the biases in people

You constantly discredit women. Unless they're trans women. So your opinion on anything to do with females is cancelled out by your own prejudice.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m happy in the knowledge that I don’t look down on woman for what they choose to do in their careers, also that I don’t put women’s careers against each other, or think they’re naive beings who don’t really understand anything if they chose a career that I don’t like.

It’s nice to know that people are happy to discredit peoples opinions based on their gender and sexuality though, I guess the journey to ‘true’ feminism brings out the biases in people

Of Course
Slick Liam.

These Fit Young Women
want the work,
back again.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Of Course
Slick Liam.

These Fit Young Women
want the work,
back again.

There you go Liam. I can feel the empowerment from here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Everyone knows this is the Senior's tour, which is all about nostalgia and that is why they have brought the girls back for this tour only

They are trying to recreate the darts for the 80s etc



right?

[Kazanne]

i don't watch darts so it doesn't affect me ,I just wonder why ?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

i don't watch darts so it doesn't affect me ,I just wonder why ?

i don't watch it cause it's boring, i don't know why you don't watch

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bots

i don't watch it cause it's boring, i don't know why you don't watch

I meant i wonder why they need the walk on girls again,lol. and yes I find it boring too

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I meant i wonder why they need the walk on girls again,lol. and yes I find it boring too

I take it you don't watch love island for the sparkling conversations

[Liam-]

Yes, women taking control of their lives and their circumstances is objectively empowerment

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Yes, women taking control of their lives and their circumstances is objectively empowerment

Taking advantage of the fact that certain men will pay them good money for their visual gratification (mild in this case more obvious in the case of onlyfans etc) is certainly understandable, but there's nothing at all empowering about the fact that being able to do so -- entirely, by the very nature of what it is -- relies on men viewing women as a commodity that can be bought and sold.

If they did not, there would be no market for them to make money from. The market exists and there's a lot of money to be made from it, I will say that it is at least better when women are making that money directly and the bulk of it isn't going to someone elses' pocket (usually a male pocket), but 1) that isn't even the case here, they're being paid a flat fee and the bulk of any money generated is going to rich male execs and 2) in an ideal, empowered world, there would be NO MARKET to make money from. It's not about their actions in a world where that market does exist.

If you can explain to me why and how a world where it's possible to make money this way is a net positive I'd love to hear it. You seem totally stuck on that world being an inevitablility and thus it being empowering that women can "make the most of that".

[Niamh.]

Deleted some posts in here about banned members.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Deleted some posts in here about banned members.

Only once you had your say

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Only once you had your say

Yes and I shouldn't have that's why I deleted them

[Beso]

Just watched this darts documentary.

https://youtu.be/Al8lNsPhOis?si=TpDwSdvBrHBZgZhM

Interesting that darts way back in the beer swilling smoke filled arenas didnt have walk on girls. It was only the introduction of satellite tv, a new thing for the young up and coming "things can only get better"1990s brigade that started that perverted nonsense.
@Quantum Boy

[bots]

the good old days when the men were totally bladdered and it was a real sport