[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

[And any attempt at such tomfoolery can and would
be quashed by the High Court on the basic Padfield
constitutional principle within a couple of days, if not a few hours]

Yes TwoSugars
Johnson PM said (today on TV news interviews)
he is not doing that , yet.

Yet
He is not doing that full stop bc it is not allowed

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Yet
He is not doing that full stop bc it is not allowed

Yes at this time.

[arista]

5mins Walking Home
Dom not happy that Lewis of SkyNews Political team
does not know the
Benn Act A/k/A Surrender Bill.

[Twosugars]

An advert on the Working for an MP website posted by the Conservatives in the European Parliament:

The Eurosceptic Conservatives and Reformist Group in the European parliament, which includes Conservative MEPs, are recruiting an intern to begin work in Brussels at the European parliament on 1 November for six months, the day after the UK is expected to have left the EU.

The successful applicant for the role working for the Conservatives and Reformist Group will receive €1,5000 a month and will work to “nurture the relationship between the group and the party now and beyond Brexit”.

It is made up of MEPs from right-wing parties across Europe such as Spain’s Vox, Brother’s of Italy, Poland’s Law and Justice, and Sweden Democrats, and the Tories have previously been criticised for their affiliation with the group.
The Guardian

Cons getting ready for an extension

[The Slim Reaper]

[Vicky.]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e_iOSApp_Other

Jesus ****ing christ..this guy..translated

'death threats should be expected while MPs are trying to come to a deal that will not knack the country and inflame everything with ROI. Some people who voted to leave are upset that we are not just crashing out, so of course they will make threats and they are entitled to do so and we should understand the anger'

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e_iOSApp_Other

Jesus ****ing christ..this guy..translated

'death threats should be expected while MPs are trying to come to a deal that will not knack the country and inflame everything with ROI. Some people who voted to leave are upset that we are not just crashing out, so of course they will make threats and they are entitled to do so and we should understand the anger'

That's Dominic Cummings for you
A sociopath

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e_iOSApp_Other

Jesus ****ing christ..this guy..translated

'death threats should be expected while MPs are trying to come to a deal that will not knack the country and inflame everything with ROI. Some people who voted to leave are upset that we are not just crashing out, so of course they will make threats and they are entitled to do so and we should understand the anger'

If you read between the lines, he's saying that the only way to end the violence and threats is to leave.

Yet the remain/leave split is more or less 50/50. But if we leave, the same problems won't occur. So essentially he's admitting that the vast majority of the violence and thuggery is from those who want to leave .

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you read between the lines, he's saying that the only way to end the violence and threats is to leave.

Yet the remain/leave split is more or less 50/50. But if we leave, the same problems won't occur. So essentially he's admitting that the vast majority of the violence and thuggery is from those who want to leave .

Nice country ya got there...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Nice country ya got there...

To be fair, what's changed other than that we've stopped pretending?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair, what's changed other than that we've stopped pretending?

Some of us have stopped pretending, to others it's still a both sides issue.

[Twosugars]

I'm going to make a sacrifice and read through all the lies of the leave campaign official document and bring them to you here
Will take me a few days and may make me Ill but it may be worth it as a rebuttal of the ever shifting claims as to what exactly the people voted for

This is the offending material
WHY WE SHOULD VOTE LEAVE - OUR CASE
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/our_case.html

[Alf]

If the leave voters don't get their vote implemted, which so far doesn't seem to be happening. Can I ask, what do you expect them to do?

Do you expect them to just be submissive and surrender?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

If the leave voters don't get their vote implemted, which so far doesn't seem to be happening. Can I ask, what do you expect them to do?

Do you expect them to just be submissive and surrender?

I will respond with my post fro another thread

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Incorrect

Parliament is making sure we have a deal, precisely as the leave side promised

“Taking back control is a careful change, not a sudden stop,” the campaign pledged. “We will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave.” The same campaign document—which can still be read on its website—also promised that the UK would be part of “a free trade zone from Iceland to Turkey and the Russian border.” If we leave without a deal—as those prominent Brexiteers are now advocating—that will be impossible.

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/our_case.html

From the horse's mouth
Leave campaign own website

Lies from liars

As we see people didnt vote for no deal brexit

You should support attempts to get a deal or a second referendum

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I will respond with my post fro another thread



As we see people didnt vote for no deal brexit

You should support attempts to get a deal or a second referendum

We didn't vote for a deal Brexit either.

We just voted to leave the EU, let's leave.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

We didn't vote for a deal Brexit either.

We just voted to leave the EU, let's leave.

You voted based on what was campaigned.
No changing of goal posts.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

You voted based on what was campaigned.
No changing of goal posts.

My goalposts have never moved, yours moved after you lost the vote.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

If the leave voters don't get their vote implemted, which so far doesn't seem to be happening. Can I ask, what do you expect them to do?

Personally I expect them to not murder anyone but maybe I'm asking too much.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Personally I expect them to not murder anyone but maybe I'm asking too much.

That's what you expect them not to do, I asked, what do you expect them to do?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you read between the lines, he's saying that the only way to end the violence and threats is to leave.

Yet the remain/leave split is more or less 50/50. But if we leave, the same problems won't occur. So essentially he's admitting that the vast majority of the violence and thuggery is from those who want to leave .

Well yeah, precisely..

Originally Posted by Alf

If the leave voters don't get their vote implemted, which so far doesn't seem to be happening. Can I ask, what do you expect them to do?

Not threaten MPs with death and such, for sure. Not sure why anyone thinks thats an acceptable response?

Not about 'surrendering' and being submissive tbh. Its about behaving like a civilized person. Mind, given some of the people (not all, before anyone starts) involved, cannot really expect anything except from a caveman response. but its still not acceptable.

[Alf]

I can try and answer for you.

You expect leavers to keep going back to ballot box on the issue, until they lose.

Am I close?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

I can try and answer for you.

You expect leavers to keep going back to ballot box on the issue, until they lose.

Am I close?

No. I expect either a new referendum to discuss no deal, or we leave with a deal. It's not that complicated considering ND was project fear first time around, and now you're all claiming it's what you wanted all along.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No. I expect either a new referendum to discuss no deal, or we leave with a deal. It's not that complicated considering ND was project fear first time around, and now you're all claiming it's what you wanted all along.

So you want a referendum with the question "no deal on the table yes or no" is that right?

What if the result came back as, keep no deal on the table. And then we can only negotiate a bad deal, which is what we've done so far. Would you then say "no deal" must be implemented?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

So you want a referendum with the question "no deal on the table yes or no" is that right?

What if the result came back as, keep no deal on the table. And then we can only negotiate a bad deal, which is what we've done so far. Would you then say "no deal" must be implemented?

No, if we're expected to leave with no deal, it needs to go to another referendum for no deal vs remain, if we get one of the unicorn deals they promised then we leave.

Also, it's a myth that the risk of ND being off the table will hurt our bargaining position, as it's been on throughout the last 3 years, and how has that worked out at the negotiating table? Give us what we want all we'll blow our own heads off, has never, or will ever be a good negotiation tactic.

[bots]

I am going to say it as no one else has .......


Arista, can you please change the thread title, it's out of date