[KingPrawn]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Ashleigh, Gina and Toya ate three of the worst housemates who are held is a weird high regard on here.

• Ashleigh was boring, most of the time she sat around and moaned about Helen rather than creating good TV and confronting her, had she gotten a pair of balls and told Helen some home truths she would have won but she was just a bull bore who occasionally spoke up.

Trouble is, she did stand up to Helen but it was not on the highlights show.

[Pete.]

Ashleigh confronted Helen loads of times though?

[KingPrawn]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Ashleigh confronted Helen loads of times though?

There was the classic incident that got posted as a video on the Channel 5 website where Ashleigh confronted Helen. An hour later, an edited version was posted to make it seem that Ashleigh had not stood up to Helen as first seemed.

That whole series was a joke in trying to redeem Helen. I remember another video on the Channel 5 site, which got taken down, where Helen stated that BB had told her that she had not argued so much that week. You get the feeling that Helen was being coached an awful lot in those final weeks.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Youtube video

"Don't feel sorry for my mum please, cos she'd be laughing at you"

"Three of my friends are not page 3 darling"

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

she picked on Jemima, Sallie and Hazel all because they were prettier than her

alol

[Denver]

Helen was bullied by Ashliegh, Chris and Toya during her series

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Helen was bullied by Ashliegh, Chris and Toya during her series

[Headie]

The golden era isn't 5/6/7, it's actually 5/6/7/8.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Helen was bullied by Ashliegh, Chris and Toya during her series

Distressingly true

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Hayden

The golden era isn't 5/6/7, it's actually 5/6/7/8.

I dunno if I agree. Is that because you think it's a good series? I think the race row signaled the end of the golden era and even though BB8 had it's merits and classic elements to it, it just wasn't perceived in the same way anymore as a franchise imo. I remember at the time most of the talk I heard about BB was that it was over and it had it's day, that's my memory of it anyway.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I dunno if I agree. Is that because you think it's a good series? I think the race row signaled the end of the golden era and even though BB8 had it's merits and classic elements to it, it just wasn't perceived in the same way anymore as a franchise imo. I remember at the time most of the talk I heard about BB was that it was over and it had it's day, that's my memory of it anyway.

I'm talking about civillian series tho idc about CBB

[Jason.]

Recently re-watching CBB5 and thinking it about it now, the race row was kind of blown out of proportion imo.

When I was re-watching that whole week back, it didn't really make me as uncomfortable as it did at the time and it wasn't as dark and hostile as I thought it would be. Whilst I admit that Shilpa was treated awfully for no apparent reason by Jade and co, all it was was an argument over Oxo cubes and some spiteful bitching with some racial connotations done behind her back (At one point during my re-watch I found myself saying "Is that all?" because I remembered it being much worse). It was not racist bullying, it was just bullying which stemmed from jealousy and class (mainly on Jade's part if anything). And to think it was this massive headline back in 2007 which hit international news and garnered over 44,000 Ofcom complaints is quite laughable when you look back at it nine years later tbh. Especially when you have somebody like Helen Wood win the show like seven years later and Conor being rewarded with the half the prize fund.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I dunno if I agree. Is that because you think it's a good series? I think the race row signaled the end of the golden era and even though BB8 had it's merits and classic elements to it, it just wasn't perceived in the same way anymore as a franchise imo. I remember at the time most of the talk I heard about BB was that it was over and it had it's day, that's my memory of it anyway.

Tbh I'd count CBB3, CBB4, and CBB5 as the golden era of C4 CBB - they also aired inbetween golden era series too (BB5, 6, and 7). I think BB8 was the last series which actually felt like BB (BB9 did, but BB8 still had the media caring about it and the hype - just not the viewing figures )

[karl100589]

Originally Posted by Jason.

Recently re-watching CBB5 and thinking it about it now, the race row was kind of blown out of proportion imo.

When I was re-watching that whole week back, it didn't really make me as uncomfortable as it did at the time and it wasn't as dark and hostile as I thought it would be. Whilst I admit that Shilpa was treated awfully for no apparent reason by Jade and co, all it was was an argument over Oxo cubes and some spiteful bitching with some racial connotations done behind her back (At one point during my re-watch I found myself saying "Is that all?" because I remembered it being much worse). It was not racist bullying, it was just bullying which stemmed from jealousy and class (mainly on Jade's part if anything). And to think it was this massive headline back in 2007 which hit international news and garnered over 44,000 Ofcom complaints is quite laughable when you look back at it nine years later tbh. Especially when you have somebody like Helen Wood win the show like seven years later and Conor being rewarded with the half the prize fund.

I tend to agree to be honest, I have always been of the belief that Jade and the coven's issues with Shilpa were purely down to a class issue and their belief that being well spoken and polite was her being false, and that the group used race as a means of attacking her rather then attacking her because of her race if you catch my drift. It certainly doesn't make the behaviour of Jade right by any means but it also eases the racist thug tag some people threw around.

I also think one of the things that people forget about the scale of the complaints was that by the time of Shilpa-gate there was a lot of resentment that had built up towards Jade from large portions of the audience. We often complain about the favouritism that the likes of Gemma Collins get on this show but during the early stages of CBB5 Jade was treated almost as this untouchable golden child; she got her own separate entrance night to put herself onto a pedestal and with a task shortly afterwards which put her front and centre, had two members of her family placed into the house with her to allow her to control the nomination process (as well as her grandparents visiting for a task) whilst her highlight show edit was one of a voice of reason very distant to the live feed portrayal. Added to this the fact that Jade was pretty much front and centre of all the advertising for the show and it helped to build an ill feeling towards Jade from the hardcore fans.

The resentment against Jade played part of the reason why so many people complained against Jade following the start of Shilpa-gate, but what helped to feed this was the fact that Channel 4 were so hesitant to do anything about it immediately, which further wound up the anti-Jade groups and made the backlash greater. One thing that stood in my mind was an episode of the psychology show before the Ofcom complaints skyrocketed where the Shilpa incident was discussed, and the party line from the psychologists, producers, Dermot etc almost seemed to be "Jade's doing nothing wrong, Shilpa's bringing it on herself". That was the straw that broke the camel's back, and the moment people stopped trusting C4 to do something about Jade, instead they turned to Ofcom, which in turn led the press to get involved and for the whole incident to snowball.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't get the love for BB7, it has a good start but all the good Housemates leave in the first 7 weeks leaving us with Aisleyne (who I don't get the love for on here) Nikki (again extremely overrated) Richard (wtf!?) and Perfect Pete (who really wasn't perfect) imo people would want to be friends with Grace and Sezer in real life, people would also like them in any other series of Big Brother, yet bizarrely they was villains for finding those idiots annoying.

I also feel that on here certain Housemates are underrated when they offered either car crash TV or were just really funny like Dappy, Scoop, Cowboy Callum, Luke, and Ahmed.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by karl100589

I tend to agree to be honest, I have always been of the belief that Jade and the coven's issues with Shilpa were purely down to a class issue and their belief that being well spoken and polite was her being false, and that the group used race as a means of attacking her rather then attacking her because of her race if you catch my drift. It certainly doesn't make the behaviour of Jade right by any means but it also eases the racist thug tag some people threw around.

I also think one of the things that people forget about the scale of the complaints was that by the time of Shilpa-gate there was a lot of resentment that had built up towards Jade from large portions of the audience. We often complain about the favouritism that the likes of Gemma Collins get on this show but during the early stages of CBB5 Jade was treated almost as this untouchable golden child; she got her own separate entrance night to put herself onto a pedestal and with a task shortly afterwards which put her front and centre, had two members of her family placed into the house with her to allow her to control the nomination process (as well as her grandparents visiting for a task) whilst her highlight show edit was one of a voice of reason very distant to the live feed portrayal. Added to this the fact that Jade was pretty much front and centre of all the advertising for the show and it helped to build an ill feeling towards Jade from the hardcore fans.

The resentment against Jade played part of the reason why so many people complained against Jade following the start of Shilpa-gate, but what helped to feed this was the fact that Channel 4 were so hesitant to do anything about it immediately, which further wound up the anti-Jade groups and made the backlash greater. One thing that stood in my mind was an episode of the psychology show before the Ofcom complaints skyrocketed where the Shilpa incident was discussed, and the party line from the psychologists, producers, Dermot etc almost seemed to be "Jade's doing nothing wrong, Shilpa's bringing it on herself". That was the straw that broke the camel's back, and the moment people stopped trusting C4 to do something about Jade, instead they turned to Ofcom, which in turn led the press to get involved and for the whole incident to snowball.

Brilliant post.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by karl100589

I tend to agree to be honest, I have always been of the belief that Jade and the coven's issues with Shilpa were purely down to a class issue and their belief that being well spoken and polite was her being false, and that the group used race as a means of attacking her rather then attacking her because of her race if you catch my drift. It certainly doesn't make the behaviour of Jade right by any means but it also eases the racist thug tag some people threw around.

I also think one of the things that people forget about the scale of the complaints was that by the time of Shilpa-gate there was a lot of resentment that had built up towards Jade from large portions of the audience. We often complain about the favouritism that the likes of Gemma Collins get on this show but during the early stages of CBB5 Jade was treated almost as this untouchable golden child; she got her own separate entrance night to put herself onto a pedestal and with a task shortly afterwards which put her front and centre, had two members of her family placed into the house with her to allow her to control the nomination process (as well as her grandparents visiting for a task) whilst her highlight show edit was one of a voice of reason very distant to the live feed portrayal. Added to this the fact that Jade was pretty much front and centre of all the advertising for the show and it helped to build an ill feeling towards Jade from the hardcore fans.

The resentment against Jade played part of the reason why so many people complained against Jade following the start of Shilpa-gate, but what helped to feed this was the fact that Channel 4 were so hesitant to do anything about it immediately, which further wound up the anti-Jade groups and made the backlash greater. One thing that stood in my mind was an episode of the psychology show before the Ofcom complaints skyrocketed where the Shilpa incident was discussed, and the party line from the psychologists, producers, Dermot etc almost seemed to be "Jade's doing nothing wrong, Shilpa's bringing it on herself". That was the straw that broke the camel's back, and the moment people stopped trusting C4 to do something about Jade, instead they turned to Ofcom, which in turn led the press to get involved and for the whole incident to snowball.

Really well explained

[Jay28jay2]

Sam Evans and Rachel Rice are the best winners in Big Brother History

[Pete.]

I wish BBLB, Big Mouth and Big Brain still existed for CBB5. If I recall Dermot was pro-Jade up until the Oxo cube argument but Russell was rightfully neutral.

[Jake.]

I liked CBB7 and for some reason I loved the kitchen?

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Pete.

I wish BBLB, Big Mouth and Big Brain still existed for CBB5. If I recall Dermot was pro-Jade up until the Oxo cube argument but Russell was rightfully neutral.

That was like me in my re-watch, I pretty much liked Jade up until the Oxo cube argument and from then on she became a horror of a person.

I watched the Jade Eviction BBLB Episode and the CBB5 final Big Mouth last week - they're the only two available. I don't really remember much of it at the time, but when watching the final Big Mouth, Russell seemed to talk about the whole race row in a seemingly comedic and jokey way.

I'd love to see Jo's BBLB episode as well Jade's Big Mouth one (if she ever appeared, did she?).

[Oaker]

CBB7 was just really boring iirc, and it's house is my least favourite of all time

[MB.]

CBB7 was a pretty good example of a bunch of people who'd be fun in any other series being hampered by the existence of Vinnie Jones

[Black Dagger]

Imagine Stephanie Beacham in a good series. Urgh, I crave it.

[Oaker]

Stephanie Beacham