[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

In the eyes of the average Arab, we violate so many of the laws in Islam: invading/occupying their land, killing civilians, stealing their wealth (oil).

To think that on this one issue we decide to respect Islamic law is just too much to believe.

Yep, I don't believe we've been given anywhere near the true story of what actually happened.

[Smithy]

I don't even see how throwing a body into the sea is even a buriel, it's just...disposing of the evidence imo

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Zippy

so the world is wanting proof of his death and they go and bury him at sea instantly? Considering its taken them 10 years to capture him(and billions of dollars) I find this extremely suspicious.

yes I know there are muslim rules regards quick burials but it seems odd that you can kill a man and then worry about his religious sensitivities! I think his supporters were already pissed about him being killed so holding back on the burial wouldnt have made much difference. All theyve done is leave the door open for a million conspiracy theories. Utterly stupid.

And people should remember that Osama has still not been proved to have been behind the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks. He's just a convenient figurehead to hate. Those terrorists are all still out there and now they will have revenge on their minds. Security will be stepped up and millions of people even more inconvenienced at airports etc.

Yeah, such a success.

Bin Laden bragged about being behind the attacks on several occasions and the general concensus is that he was telling the truth.

The death is suspicious for sure but do people know that Bill Clinton openly admitted that he contracted the CIA to kill him. Bin Laden was never gonna stand trial.

This is the cost of doing business. He attacked the leading military nation in the world what do people honestly expect was going to happen to him? Surely no one can truly be outraged that this has happened.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep, I don't believe we've been given anywhere near the true story of what actually happened.

Try to preserve this line of independent thinking because there are people right now trying to squash independent thinking. You'll watch our mainstream media in the coming days parot the official story, do all it can to dismiss legitimate questions as conspiracies, and not hold our elected official's feet to the fire.

You are watching mass mind-control unfold my friend.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Try to preserve this line of independent thinking because there are people right now trying to squash independent thinking. You'll watch our mainstream media in the coming days parot the official story, do all it can to dismiss legitimate questions as conspiracies, and not hold our elected official's feet to the fire.

You are watching mass mind-control unfold my friend.

I believe that! But we're never going to know the true story anyway :/

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by letmein

Uh, you do realize that for the past 50 years Presidents have used autocues, right? Stop with the Right wing talking point gibberish!

I was joking you fecking muppet

Lighten up

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I don't even see how throwing a body into the sea is even a buriel, it's just...disposing of the evidence imo

Who cares, if he surrendered or was captured after a firefight he will be either on his way or already at Guantanemo Bay receiving the finest hospitality available including blanket baths etc in the hope he can help the American Intelligence Community with a few anecdotes about his friends in AQ's future plans.

Whether he was buried at sea in the Indian Ocean or will eventually be buried at sea in the Caribbean I dont think we will be seeing many more of his home movies on "You've Been Framed".

Took 25 men(highly trained SEALS) over 40 minutes to clear the building where he was located and neutralise 5 people, yeah right! Maybe took them 20 minutes and the rest was setting the scene for the supposed death of the leader.

American Special Forces team always operate with real time helmet cameras, yet we havent seen any footage taken from them. If they had killed him in action I think they would have shown at least some footage by now.

[GiRTh]

Obama has closed down Gitmo.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/us...s/22gitmo.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7845585.stm

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Obama has closed down Gitmo.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/us...s/22gitmo.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7845585.stm

I beg to differ, there were four detainment camps at GB, only one was closed, Camp Xray. there is now a new camp Camp Justice, so in effect there are still 4 detainment facilities 3 for detainment and interrogation the fourth for detainment and trials.

As of February 2011, 172 detainees remain at Guantanamo.....


.....On Jan 7, 2011, President Obama signed the 2011 Defense Authorization Bill which contains provisions preventing the transfer of Guantanamo prisoners to the mainland or to other foreign countries, and thus effectively stops the closure of the detention facility. However he strongly objected to the clauses and stated that he would work with Congress to oppose the measures.[16] U.S. Secretary of Defense Gates said during a testimony before the US Senate Armed Services Committee on February 17, 2011: “The prospects for closing Guantanamo as best I can tell are very, very low given very broad opposition to doing that here in the Congress.

On March 7, 2011 President Obama has given the green light to resume military trials, conducted by military officers, with a military judge presiding, of terror suspects detained at Guantánamo Bay.[225] He also signed an executive order that moved to set into law the already existing practice on Guantánamo of holding detainees indefinitely without charge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantan...lose_the_camps

[Kerry]

Sky News reporting that a video from Bin Laden, just before his death, is due to be released soon.........

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I beg to differ, there were four detainment camps at GB, only one was closed, Camp Xray. there is now a new camp Camp Justice, so in effect there are still 4 detainment facilities 3 for detainment and interrogation the fourth for detainment and trials.

Fair enough. He stated many times that the torture has to stop so I think he's trying to end this sorry episode in American history.

[Kerry]

Have I seriously just heard that he's supposed to have been 'buried' at sea??

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Fair enough. He stated many times that the torture has to stop so I think he's trying to end this sorry episode in American history.

Yeah he has, however if they do have Bin Liner alive I think Obama may allow a little persuasion to be used in his case, eh?

[Kerry]

Not a chance on this earth he's alive. America would never be trusted again if he turned up somewhere.

When he died is another matter

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

When he died is another matter

In about 3 months time

[Kerry]

So he's been buried at sea (Sky News) What a load of sh!t

You don't kill the most wanted man in America and immediately fling him (sorry - hold a ceremonial event) into the sea

[Angus]

Yet still no denials from Al Qaeda that Osama is still alive, if he is! Do you not think they would be delighting and revelling in the US's embarrassment if he had NOT been killed? The internet would be awash with jeering videos. More likely the story that his body has been disposed of has been disseminated to avoid any chance of fanatics trying to steal back his body to enshrine it somewhere for other maniacs to worship.

Osama is dead - a coward to the very end, cowering behind his own wife. What a guy.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yet still no denials from Al Qaeda that Osama is still alive, if he is! Do you not think they would be delighting and revelling in the US's embarrassment if he had NOT been killed? The internet would be awash with jeering videos. More likely the story that his body has been disposed of has been disseminated to avoid any chance of fanatics trying to steal back his body to enshrine it somewhere for other maniacs to worship.

Osama is dead - a coward to the very end, cowering behind his own wife. What a guy.

Not that I'm trying to single you out but it seems you've swallowed your government/mainstream media/military industrial complex medicine without so much as a second thought. I wonder if you believe our governments are even capable of lying.

Let me say that whichever government storyteller came up with that wife bit, pure genius, that'll go over well with the war hungry masses. I also read in the Miami Herald that intellegence from Guantanamo Bay may have played a role in nailing the former CIA darling Tim Osman, now known as bin Laden. That's *******ing brilliant: Look kids, torture sometimes works.

The whole thing stinks and I believe he's dead but that's only because I believe he's been dead for years. I will be surprised if I see ONE reporter ask a real question like why in the world do you chuck this man's body into the ocean several hours after obtaining it when you have spent TEN *******ING YEARS trying to get it? The whole thing stinks and this is one issue that will separate the sheep from the people who don't assume everything they're told is true.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Not that I'm singling you out but it seems you've swallowed your government/mainstream media/military industrial complex medicine without so much as a second thought. I wonder if you even believe our governments are capable of lying.

Let me say that whichever government storyteller came up with that wife bit, pure genius, that'll go over well with the war hungry masses. I also read in the Miami Herald that intellegence from Guantanamo Bay may have played a role in nailing the former CIA darling Tim Osman, now known as bin Laden. That's *****ing brilliant: Look kids, torture sometimes works.

The whole thing stinks and I believe he's dead but that's only because I believe he's been dead for years. I will be surprised if I see ONE reporter ask a real question like why in the world do you chuck this man's body into the ocean several hours after obtaining it when you have spent TEN *****ING YEARS trying to get it? The whole thing stinks and this is one issue that will separate the sheep from the people who don't assume everything they're told is true.

Not that I'm singling you out, but I'm astounded at the usual conspiracy theorists who crawl out of the woodwork at every opportunity to pontificate about different scenarios about every single political action.

Whether Osama was killed yesterday or years ago to me is pointless to speculate about and I really don't give a rat's behind - it is enough he is dead (of which I am sure), and I reiterate that if he were NOT he, along with his fellow maniacs, would be parading his cowardly self on every TV channel and on the internet to humiliate and jeer at the US and the rest of the West. What a fantastic opportunistic coup that would be for Al Qaeda don't you think?

Just because you deem yourself all knowing and superior in intellect to us mere mortals doesn't wash with me - after all I have had the misfortune, and often amusement, to read a lot of your posts and threads on here that display the extent of your naivety, ignorance and disingenuity, so I think I will trust my own instincts thank you very much, after having spent many more years on this earth than yourself and, as a Brit, having lived through the atrocities perpetrated by more terrorists with their different "causes" on my native soil than the Americans ever have.

[arista]

[CharlieO]

There happened to be a camera there when they saw?? and they can be bothered to show us them watching it but not the actually pictures ourself??

Dont believe it at all im sorry.

[arista]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

There happened to be a camera there when they saw?? and they can be bothered to show us them watching it but not the actually pictures ourself??

Dont believe it at all im sorry.

You will when they show the Video
soon.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by arista

You will when they show the Video
soon.

Then i might. But for now no.

It's not like his death changes anything anyway, the only thing it will do is give the families and friends of 9/11 victims is closure and make them feel better i guess?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Then i might. But for now no.

It's not like his death changes anything anyway, the only thing it will do is give the families and friends of 9/11 victims is closure and make them feel better i guess?

Actually, it could make things worse if his followers decide to avenge his death

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Actually, it could make things worse if his followers decide to avenge his death

Precisely, to think Osama would leave his 'club' with no plans, no new leader, no nothing. Of course he wouldn't. For all we know Osama could have had someone far more clever and evil working for him and now that person gets to take the lead.