[InOne]

My cig packet has a heroin needle on the back Most silly advert I've seen

[Zippy]

Oh ffs spare me all this she couldve given up if she wanted to blahblah

such simplistic bollocks and shows a serious lack of understanding about how drugs can take hold. And it's not just about the drugs it's about the state of the mind they take hold of. Amy has a history of issues regards her weight also so she was clearly a vulnerable soul.

Some can fight off drug addiction. For others it's an impossible task and there's only one outcome.

[cub]

Originally Posted by InOne

She was good and that but she wasn't a legend or an icon I wouldn't say. People are only saying this cos she's dead.

People are fickle

Nonesense. When her first album was released a lot of critics applauded it as a classic work and one of the finest albums in a long time.

She will always be better known as a tortured artist and - yes - a druggie. But she leaves a few songs of amazing quality, sung with utter conviction. She was the real thing.

And the legacy she leaves is considerable. She opened the door for artists like Adele and Duffy.

[Shaun]

I find it sad that people reduce drug addicts to just a statistic. They were a person too. Not every living moment was spent with a heroin needle, you know.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Stu

Tobacco is far more addictive than Cannabis. Cannabis is not physically addictive like Nicotine is. Most people mix Cannabis with tobacco. It's the tobacco they are addicted to not the Cannabis.

It took me twenty four hours to stop smoking dope after a daily four year habit. It's far from perfect but it shoudln't even be brought up as a point of comparison in addiction debates.

How many people do you know who have died at the age of 27 through an overdose of cigarettes.??

The comparison was being made in respect of the debate about 'addiction' and how that reels you in.

You managed to throw your own spin and reply regarding smoking - dope or otherwise, bit hypocritcal of you to beat the "shouldn't even be brought up as a comparison in addition debates". You're joining in the smoking aspect!!

You're a smoker, right?

Give up the fags. There is a good chance they will be a contributing factor in your death etc. You can quit.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

How many people do you know who have died at the age of 27 through an overdose of cigarettes.??

The comparison was being made in respect of the debate about 'addiction' and how that reels you in.

You managed to throw your own spin and reply regarding smoking - dope or otherwise, bit hypocritcal of you to beat the "shouldn't even be brought up as a comparison in addition debates". You're joining in the smoking aspect!!

Cigarettes will kill you eventually.

Cannabis will not.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Absolute rubbish Tmi. No offence, but I know hundreds of smokers who have managed not become entangled in the drugs scene to the point that it rules their life, despite smoking.

I happen to be one of them. I have a joint very occasionally. That's my choice - to only have one occasionally. No one forces me even to have that odd one every couple of months.

We aren't going to agree on this one.

I heard Tyson was fighting tonite but I didnt know it was on this forum
You have strong fews I know , but I will not agree on this with you about Amy I think she needed guidance in big ways but when you are surrounded by @rse lickers who will do anything for you,it must be hard to just say NO< NO>.

I didnt say everyone who smokes but it can turn to other substances, any addiction is bad especially forums must get my@rse off here before lappy blows up. If you seen the things fags can do, youd never smoke again. People who smokes think it wont happen to them, take it from someone who knows first hand.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I find it sad that people reduce drug addicts to just a statistic. They were a person too. Not every living moment was spent with a heroin needle, you know.

Which is a matter for her family to grieve over, not people clutching copies of Back to Black and being completely hysterical over someone whose battle with addictive substances was laid bare for all to see and was clearly heading in this direction anyway. I realise I'm being really blunt but I think people being hysterical brings that out in me, haha. I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular, I'm just kind of annoyed by the stuff I'm reading on my Twitter feed, Facebook etc...

Zippy, the fact of the matter is that to quit addiction, you need to go cold turkey - Amy was an adult so it was impossible to make her give it up, so the choice was entirely hers. She still chose to take drugs and get drunk in the first instances, so regardless of whether or not she was mentally capable of quitting doesn't really factor into the equation for me - it was her choice, making her death her own fault. The situation in Norway was not about choice - I'm pissed off because people are raving on about Amy Winehouse instead of focusing on the real tragedy that occurred this weekend. Meh.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Stu

Cigarettes will kill you eventually.

Cannabis will not.

Bib wtf it focks with the mind, I know someone who is virtual recluse because of this drug and hasnt been out of the house for years only 30

[Shaun]

What the **** is "being hysterical" about admiring a musician in light of their death?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by cub

Nonesense. When her first album was released a lot of critics applauded it as a classic work and one of the finest albums in a long time.

She will always be better known as a tortured artist and - yes - a druggie. But she leaves a few songs of amazing quality, sung with utter conviction. She was the real thing.

And the legacy she leaves is considerable. She opened the door for artists like Adele and Duffy.

Point made. A few songs. One good album. I honestly do not get this faux grief thing that's going on all over the place.

The only real thing she was, I am afraid to say: is a perfect example of how not to try to live your life. Harsh? Yes. Truthful? Absolutely.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Shaun

What the **** is "being hysterical" about admiring a musician in light of their death?

People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by tmi

Bib wtf it focks with the mind, I know someone who is virtual recluse because of this drug and hasnt been out of the house for years only 30

Agreed. Cannabis is far from harmless and I would never pass it off as so. It's a very subjective drug that creates it's high by directly mucking about with your neurons rather than simply drowning them out and it's simply not suited to a large degree of people that are predisposed to mental issues and/or anxiety.

It could be made far safer if it was regulated in a legal marketplace, I have to add as a disclaimer, but then most people with an ounce of common sense known this.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by tmi

Bib wtf it focks with the mind, I know someone who is virtual recluse because of this drug and hasnt been out of the house for years only 30

The person you know is a major stoner and very few of us probably don't know of someone who's completely fooked because of it. Cannabis is a world away from crack cocaine and A class drugs. I'm not stupid - I'm more than very well aware of the effect is has psychologically and neurologically ...... people don't become that way because they have a few joints occasionally.


That's their choice, no one forces anyone to smoke, legal or illegal. If I snuff it when I'm 60 through fag smoking: I have one person to blame. ME. Not anyone around me, not my parents, not my friends around me who smoked when I didn't, not the shopkeeper who sells me my legal drugs of choice.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Zee

People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?

I could not have put it better if I'd tried. Well said.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Zee

People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?

Oh give over for christ sake. It's entirely forgiveable and acceptable to be more interested in a dead, talented celebrity than something that's happened to some strangers in Norway. Why are people pretending to care about Norway all of a sudden?

You answered your own concerns in that post. She's been all over the media for four years.

Sense of perspective? Unless someone is making a charitable donation what does it matter where their attention span is going? Sense of perspective? What about the current famine in Africa? That's killed more people than what happened in Norway.

Heck ... what about all the famines in Africa since we are going to go there? Who gives a crap about who gets to number one in the charts this week? Who cares what is number one at the box office? People are dying, damnit!

I hate to be so blunt but if you are going to start that car there is a lot of places you can take it. The vast majority of us demonstrably do not give a flying fuck about what is going on in the world.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

The person you know is a major stoner and very few of us probably don't know of someone who's completely fooked because of it. Cannabis is a world away from crack cocaine and A class drugs. I'm not stupid - I'm more than very well aware of the effect is has psychologically and neurologically ...... people don't become that way because they have a few joints occasionally.


That's their choice, no one forces anyone to smoke, legal or illegal. If I snuff it when I'm 60 through fag smoking: I have one person to blame. ME. Not anyone around me, not my parents, not my friends around me who smoked when I didn't, not the shopkeeper who sells me my legal drugs of choice.

You have your right to choose .

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Zee

People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?

As I said on Twitter - I see absolutely no reason to compare the two? Do you have some kind of condition where tragedies have to be ranked in terms of importance or something?

The difference between the two stories is that people haven't listened to music from 92 Norwegian teenagers in the past 5 years. Of course she's going to get a bit more attention...she's famous As for myself, I've addressed both stories in the past 24 hours. I guess now I can be a real samaritan. Though I'm sure 3 people died in the Philippines today and I haven't expressed shock about that yet.

[joeysteele]

A while ago on a thread on here we were all discussing Amy and the comeback that never was really after her disastrous concert in Serbia.

It was felt she was a tortured soul and needed help, that she was surrounded by the wrong people in order to get that help and there was doubts she even wanted help.

Her Rehab song clearly having an irony to it now. This was the direction she was heading in, when I heard she'd died on the news I wasn't in the least surprised.

What a sad end at so young an age,I do mourn that because she really should have had all her life all before her with likely still great things to come.

I wasn't a mad fan of Amy at all,you cannot help but feel sad at her death in this way even it was in reality self inflicted.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Stu

Oh give over for christ sake. It's entirely forgiveable and acceptable to be more interested in a dead, talented celebrity than something that's happened in Norway. Why are people pretending to care about Norway all of a sudden?

You answered your own concerns in that post. She's been all over the media for four years.

Sense of perspective? Unless someone is making a charitable donation what does it matter where their attention span is going? Sense of perspective? What about the current famine in Africa? That's killed more people than what happened in Norway.

Heck ... what about all the famines in Africa since we are going to go there? Who gives a crap about who gets to number one in the charts this week? Who cares what is number one at the box office? People are dying, damnit!

I hate to be so blunt but if you are going to start that car there is a lot of places you can take it. The vast majority of us demonstrably do not give a flying fuck about what is going on in the world.

Why on earth do you alway come over so angry in your posts?

Why do you continually avoid the swear filter?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Why on earth do you alway come over so angry in your posts?

Why do you continually avoid the swear filter?

I'm not angry at all. Frustrated I guess that I have to respond to such an absurd point, hence the high volume of question marks and exclamation marks. Two friends whom you know very well.

Why are you responding to this post and not the argument I gave you? Why are you responding to my posting style and not my posts?

''If you want to go down that route, take it to PM''.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Why on earth do you alway come over so angry in your posts?

Why do you continually avoid the swear filter?

Perhaps he passionate bit like yourself when you have strong opnions, I agree with the swearing though.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Stu

Oh give over for christ sake. It's entirely forgiveable and acceptable to be more interested in a dead, talented celebrity than something that's happened in Norway. Why are people pretending to care about Norway all of a sudden?

You answered your own concerns in that post. She's been all over the media for four years.

Sense of perspective? Unless someone is making a charitable donation what does it matter where their attention span is going? Sense of perspective? What about the current famine in Africa? That's killed more people than what happened in Norway.

Heck ... what about all the famines in Africa since we are going to go there? Who gives a crap about who gets to number one in the charts this week? Who cares what is number one at the box office? People are dying, damnit!

I hate to be so blunt but if you are going to start that car there is a lot of places you can take it. The vast majority of us demonstrably do not give a flying fuck about what is going on in the world.

No, I am not going to "start that car" - it is quite obviously far more shocking that a man disguised himself as a police officer and killed 80+ teenagers in cold blood than the death of somebody who struggled with addiction for at least four years in the public eye. People are quite obviously entitled to be interested in the death of a celebrity, but my point was that she's not actually done anything of note for half a decade; there were empty promises of new material for a few years and then apparently recently she had actually been working on new material - but going by her abysmal performance in Serbia, I'm not sure I believe that she was in the frame of mind to be producing all that much in the way of music. I care about Norway, it shocked me and I'm stunned that people are disregarding it so soon after it happened in favour of this. It's not like her death was out of the blue, when someone's that messed up it's more a case of predicting when rather than if, is that something that anyone can seriously deny? She's been all over the media for four years because she has problems, now she's dead because of her problems, so what's left to talk about? There's no new music to show (at the moment - I expect they'll put out posthumous stuff) - I'd be more understanding if she was on the promotional trail at the moment. Maybe I'm just cold hearted when it comes to her, I just have no respect for people who CHOOSE to play with fire like she did and who then suffer for it, and I guess that's been exacerbated by the fact she's famous for being, well, a mess, and is now going to receive even more attention for it. Leave the poor woman alone, I guess that's my thought on the matter ultimately.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

A while ago on a thread on here we were all discussing Amy and the comeback that never was really after her disastrous concert in Serbia.

It was felt she was a tortured soul and needed help, that she was surrounded by the wrong people in order to get that help and there was doubts she even wanted help.

Her Rehab song clearly having an irony to it now. This was the direction she was heading in, when I heard she'd died on the news I wasn't in the least surprised.

What a sad end at so young an age,I do mourn that because she really should have had all her life all before her with likely still great things to come.

I wasn't a mad fan of Amy at all,you cannot help but feel sad at her death in this way even it was in reality self inflicted.

Joey: my mind also went back to that other thread.....


http://thisisbigbrother.com/forums/s...2&postcount=32

Same path as others who have come, gone and on their way out: George Best, Gazza to name two. Talented but with their own demons. I see this being a recurring theme and most likely, it won't be the booze it will kill her, it'll be an overdose / suicide or massive organ failure. Sad, but a real possibility.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Shaun

As I said on Twitter - I see absolutely no reason to compare the two? Do you have some kind of condition where tragedies have to be ranked in terms of importance or something?

The difference between the two stories is that people haven't listened to music from 92 Norwegian teenagers in the past 5 years. Of course she's going to get a bit more attention...she's famous As for myself, I've addressed both stories in the past 24 hours. I guess now I can be a real samaritan. Though I'm sure 3 people died in the Philippines today and I haven't expressed shock about that yet.

What's the need for being patronising?