[Marsh.]

We haven't "convinced ourselves the producers don't do this sort of thing" you have failed to prove your point.

The producers want Ashleigh out because? For what purpose? What difference does it make to them?

Also, Ashleigh has a strong chance to win? Very doubtful and again pure presumption with no basis in fact.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

It makes their decision alot easier. Doesn't it?

What does? You assuming Ashleigh is going to offer herself as a sacrifice? Ok then.

[Creggle]

Speculating that Mark or Winston could win is also pure presumption with no basis in fact, saying anybody has a chance of winning is.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

We haven't "convinced ourselves the producers don't do this sort of thing" you have failed to prove your point.

The producers want Ashleigh out because? For what purpose? What difference does it make to them?

Asking me to mind read again. I didn't say they definitely wanted her out but that there are certain people they are obviously happy to go out and she is up there. They would not have given the newbies the power to do this if they were not happy with that. They've even already said that Ashleigh has told them she wants to leave. Everyone watching who is paying attention knew that would happen

Also, Ashleigh has a strong chance to win? Very doubtful and again pure presumption with no basis in fact.

Oh FFS how can you say that a person who is leading every popularity poll (polls that have always correctly predicted winners or at least the top 3) by the distance she is is not in with a good shot of winning. The polls have always been a good indicator of support. Tellymix in particular correctly identified the popularity of Aaron, Luke A and Sam in the latter stages. Their poll is currently being topped by Ashleigh, just as she is topping every other poll.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What does? You assuming Ashleigh is going to offer herself as a sacrifice? Ok then.

She's already told them she wants to leave. She is now the easy option for them.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

I didn't say they definitely wanted her out

But I'm naive for not agreeing with you. Now you're not sure. Hmmmm.

Originally Posted by Yaki da

They've even already said that Ashleigh has told them she wants to leave. Everyone watching who is paying attention knew that would happen

Really? You only claimed this AFTER it was said and began claiming you "knew it would happen". Mind reading indeed.

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Oh FFS

Are you ok?

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

Speculating that Mark or Winston could win is also pure presumption with no basis in fact, saying anybody has a chance of winning is.

Saying Mark has more of a chance of winning than Steven is an obvious truth. It's supported by his support as can be seen in online polls.

Ashleigh however is polling almost double Mark's figures in every one of those polls. And Chris is second to her.

I'd make Chris the favourite to win right now just because Ashleigh is walking through a minefield.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But I'm naive for not agreeing with you. Now you're not sure. Hmmmm.

I'm sure they're happy with her being a very likely candidate, as she obviously will be. Which we all knew. Especially the producers.

Really? You only claimed this AFTER it was said and began claiming you "knew it would happen". Mind reading indeed.



Are you ok?

I'm fine. You seem to be wanting to go round in the same circle again trying to deny that the producers choose to do certain twists with a particular outcome or outcomes in mind, which is indeed very naive.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

You seem to be wanting to go round in the same circle again trying to deny that the producers choose to do certain twists with a particular outcome or outcomes in mind, which is indeed very naive.

I haven't denied anything. I'm here to discuss actual incidents. You seem to think the producers do things....... because they can.

They wanted Nikki out..... for the hell of it.
They wanted Josie to win...... just because.
They want Ashleigh out....... because they can.

I already called an end to the discussion, you're taking it in circles. I'll leave you to it. Or maybe the mods might lock the thread....... because they can. Or block one of us from the discussion....... for the hell of it. After all, who needs actual reason to make all the effort to do the things they do?

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I haven't denied anything. I'm here to discuss actual incidents. You seem to think the producers do things....... because they can.

They wanted Nikki out..... for the hell of it.

Why put her in that position if they didn't want her out? It was obvious she would be gone the moment she was in that position. They could have punished the whole house including Jayne, but no, they chose a specific punishment which was highly likely to lead to Nikki's eviction. Nikki was probably not going out that week in any other scenario than the one they chose to put her in.

They wanted Josie to win...... just because.

I didn't say that. I actually suspect they were expecting Steve, the war hero, to get given the final pass and then from there were going to have a quad eviction to see off Josie, JJ, Sam and Corin as one mega F U to the fans of the show. By the time UBB started, people would have moved on and it was supposed to be the last series anyway, so what did it matter?

I remember Phil Edgar-Jones posting on DS that year. He got absolutely fed up with the posters on a couple of occasions.

They want Ashleigh out....... because they can.

Again, you need to try to explain why they make the decisions they do which are most likely to lead to the things they do. You seem to think they just do it without any thought of what is going to happen, which is obviously wrong. They do it, thinking through the possibilities... Ashleigh is the very easy option for them to vote out and they knew this when they gave them the power to evict someone.

Why? Again, I'm no mindreader. But it is interesting to note that this has all followed a fansite/twitter campaign to keep Ashleigh in by evicting Jale. What they did with Marlon was a first for Big Brother in this country. Giving the actual HMs the power to evict someone, and having inspired a petition against this, they're now going to do it again. It seems like another way of saying F U

I already called an end to the discussion, you're taking it in circles.

You came back.

I'll leave you to it. Or maybe the mods might lock the thread....... because they can. Or block one of us from the discussion....... for the hell of it. After all, who needs actual reason to make all the effort to do the things they do?

No need to lock this thread. There are people who agree with me on this and believe some of you are just being ridiculous in acting like the decisions they make aren't made with a certain purpose. And when the most obvious people go, as Marlon did, as the girl who is asking to be evicted probably will, it really ought to be clear that they are coming up with these twists with certain obvious goals.

[Josy]

If Ashleigh goes for saying she wants to go then she is to blame

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

If Ashleigh goes for saying she wants to go then she is to blame

Nope. By putting people in the position they are in, knowing there was a HM who was saying she wanted to leave, they set it up for her to be very likely the next one out.

The lack of live coverage and now the suspension of the viewers being involved in the eviction process is for one obvious reason... Further manipulation.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Why put her in that position if they didn't want her out? It was obvious she would be gone the moment she was in that position. They could have punished the whole house including Jayne, but no, they chose a specific punishment which was highly likely to lead to Nikki's eviction.

Of course they did. They plotted to evict Nikki..... for what reason?

Originally Posted by Yaki da

I didn't say that. I actually suspect they were expecting Steve, the war hero, to get given the final pass and then from there were going to have a quad eviction to see off Josie, JJ, Sam and Corin as one mega F U to the fans of the show. By the time UBB started, people would have moved on and it was supposed to be the last series anyway, so what did it matter?

An FU to the fans? Why? What had they done? Reason?

Originally Posted by Yaki da

I remember Phil Edgar-Jones posting on DS that year. He got absolutely fed up with the posters on a couple of occasions.

Yeah, I know he did. Anyone would when you have so much abuse thrown at you by that forum.

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Again, you need to try to explain why they make the decisions they do which are most likely to lead to the things they do. You seem to think they just do it without any thought of what is going to happen, which is obviously wrong. They do it, thinking through the possibilities... Ashleigh is the very easy option for them to vote out and they knew this when they gave them the power to evict someone.

I don't need to explain anything. I don't seem to think anything about the twists.

You have created a thread making outlandish claims of manipulation by the producers who are obsessed with having housemates evicted....... for no reason whatsoever. Not monetary gain, not a rise in viewing figures, just..... because.

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Why? Again, I'm no mindreader. But it is interesting to note that this has all followed a fansite/twitter campaign to keep Ashleigh in by evicting Jale. What they did with Marlon was a first for Big Brother in this country. Giving the actual HMs the power to evict someone, and having inspired a petition against this, they're now going to do it again.

It's also interesting to note that Armageddon was planned for this week for at least 3 weeks without knowing who would be evicted before then.

Don't bother responding until you have something of substance to say. "Just because" no longer cuts it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

No need to lock this thread. There are people who agree with me on this and believe some of you are just being ridiculous in acting like the decisions they make aren't made with a certain purpose.

I wasn't being literal my dear. I was following your point of people in "power" doing things for the hell of it for no discernible reason whatsoever.

There's no reason to lock the thread, but there's also no reason to purposely see Nikki or Ashleigh evicted..... but they just do it, right?

Because high on their agenda is annoying Yaki da..... because they can.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Nope. By putting people in the position they are in, knowing there was a HM who was saying she wanted to leave, they set it up for her to be very likely the next one out.

The lack of live coverage and now the suspension of the viewers being involved in the eviction process is for one obvious reason... Further manipulation.

Yeah I disagree with that like I have posted many many times in this thread with my reasons and point as to why and you failing to have any valid reason for the assumptions means it's pointless having a debate about it.

Great discussion but I'm done.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I wasn't being literal my dear. I was following your point of people in "power" doing things for the hell of it for no discernible reason whatsoever.

There's no reason to lock the thread, but there's also no reason to purposely see Nikki or Ashleigh evicted..... but they just do it, right?

Because high on their agenda is annoying Yaki da..... because they can.

They always have an agenda. Sometimes the result annoys me, sometimes it doesn't. At this point I'm almost past caring. But I always recognise it. Almost every twist they come up with is done with a purpose (would they have ever allowed Gos to be sent to Africa?) - to achieve a certain goal. The question you have to ask when they do these twists is what is the most obvious thing that is going to happen, and there will be the agenda.

Why? No one could ever answer that question unless they are privy to the conversations they have.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah I disagree with that like I have posted many many times in this thread with my reasons and point as to why and you failing to have any valid reason for the assumptions means it's pointless having a debate about it.

Great discussion but I'm done.

Up to you. But I'd love to know why you think they've suddenly decided to get rid of (or at least suspend) the public having a say in evictions. Do you think it's just a coincidence that it followed the Save Ashleigh/Evict Jale campaign? Do you think it's just a coincidence that after a petition with over a thousand signatures in the space of 48 hours telling them not to take the viewers vote away from the eviction process, they've now done it twice in the space of a week?

And again... I have no idea why people would deny that Marlon was penciled in for eviction. It's perfectly obvious that he was.

[Marsh.]

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I honestly think Ashleigh isn't going to win the show anyway as with the general public Mark will be the most popular.

a travesty

[Gusto Brunt]

I'd love it if Ashleigh stayed but it appears the newbies have it in for her, and she'll be going.

It's a shame the newbies don't have balls. If they did they'd evict Steven. But the cowards won't do that because they know the majority of the house want Ashleigh out.

[Yaki da]

So, are the two girls saying Ashleigh is the easiest option now? You'd think it was set up for that to happen.

[Yaki da]

Anyway, just for the record of where she stood in the popularity polls...

TIBB

BB2014: Who is your favourite housemate? [Marlon Evicted]
Ashleigh 34.2%
Chris 17.8%
Mark 8.6%
Christopher 6.9%
Helen 6.3%
Zoe 4.7%
Ash 4.4%
Danielle 4.1%
Winston 4.0%
Biannca 3.7%
Kimberly 3.1%
Pavandeep 1.6%
Steven 0.4%

Total votes: 1183
You have already voted!

BB Spy

Week 6 Part 2: Who's your favourite housemate?

ASHLEIGH
31.0%

CHRIS
14.1%

HELEN
9.9%

MARK
8.9%

ASH
7.8%

ZOE
6.3%

CHRISTOPHER
6.0%

WINSTON
5.7%

BIANNCA
3.9%

DANIELLE
3.6%

KIMBERLY
1.3%

PAVANDEEP
1.1%

STEVEN
0.4%
Total Votes: 1237


Tellymix

Big Brother 2014: Who's your favourite? Week 6

Ashleigh Coyle (28%, 1,381 Votes)
Chris R Wright (23%, 1,128 Votes)
Mark Byron (16%, 781 Votes)
Winston Showan (8%, 416 Votes)
Helen Wood (6%, 289 Votes)
Christopher Hall (5%, 254 Votes)
Ash Harrison (5%, 253 Votes)
Danielle McMahon (3%, 150 Votes)
Kimberly Kisselovich (2%, 103 Votes)
Marlon Wallen (2%, 92 Votes)
Steven Goode (2%, 49 Votes)
Total Voters: 4,896

What a "twist" (fix) this is

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

We haven't "convinced ourselves the producers don't do this sort of thing" you have failed to prove your point.

The producers want Ashleigh out because? For what purpose? What difference does it make to them?

Also, Ashleigh has a strong chance to win? Very doubtful and again pure presumption with no basis in fact.

They want Ashleigh out because they don't want her to win. There is a danger she could win because of her popularity.

[waterhog]

there is more of her to come - she needs to stay.

[Samm]

She won't be evicted, there's bigger targets they are getting out now like Kimberly & Steven