[bots]

What i see is people taking a position that is controversial because they think it is hip and amusing to do so (not all, but in the main) It was a serious incident and the gravity of its nature should not be minimised in order to win a forum argument.

We can all argue until we are blue in the face, it doesn't matter one jot. It was deemed that Aaron over stepped the boundaries of acceptable behaviour by the producers of the show. That's it, if you don't like it, don't watch the show.

[Amy Jade]

What's controversial about saying what you think?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

What i see is people taking a position that is controversial because they think it is hip and amusing to do so (not all, but in the main) It was a serious incident and the gravity of its nature should not be minimised in order to win a forum argument.

We can all argue until we are blue in the face, it doesn't matter one jot. It was deemed that Aaron over stepped the boundaries of acceptable behaviour by the producers of the show. That's it, if you don't like it, don't watch the show.

Don't worry I'm close to quitting this mess anyway.

And I can't take how nasty some people get in this series.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

What i see is people taking a position that is controversial because they think it is hip and amusing to do so (not all, but in the main) It was a serious incident and the gravity of its nature should not be minimised in order to win a forum argument.

We can all argue until we are blue in the face, it doesn't matter one jot. It was deemed that Aaron over stepped the boundaries of acceptable behaviour by the producers of the show. That's it, if you don't like it, don't watch the show.

But we are only agreeing with joel. He doesn't think aaron should have been removed.

Who are you to tell me that I can't agree with joel?

This was not a serious incident whatsoever. The police aren't involved. Joel blames himself and agrees that aaron should not have been ejected.

That is my position and you can argue til you are blue in the face but I am as entitled to hold my opinion as you are to hold yours.

[billy123]

Im not sure if we have a few perverted flashers on tibb or just very misguided Aaron fans either way trying rub your genitals on a teenage boy is disgusting and trying to defend it is just ludicrous.

[ThriceShy]

I wonder how much of a part homophobia plays in this, to be honest.

[Mystic Mock]

Well I do like to flash my 3DS around the place if that counts as a Flasher, Bobnot?

And Aaron was never my favourite, Joel actually was until that episode.

[Mystic Mock]

Well I do like to flash my 3DS around the place if that counts as a Flasher, Bobnot?

And Aaron was never my favourite, Joel actually was until that episode.

[ThriceShy]

I liked joel until I saw his sly throwing aaron under the bus in the diary room.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I mean, Joel sucks so if it took this for Mock to abandon that ship (even though Joel didn't rly do anything wrong) I'm okay with it

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I wonder how much of a part homophobia plays in this, to be honest.

Oh you poor thing, you're gonna get every bad left wing stereotype thrown your way now for daring to open up these can of Worms.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Oh you poor thing, you're gonna get every bad left wing stereotype thrown your way now for daring to open up these can of Worms.

I still think it is rife though. I think a lot of the revulsion towards aaron lies in his sexuality.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well I do like to flash my 3DS around the place if that counts as a Flasher, Bobnot?

And Aaron was never my favourite, Joel actually was until that episode.

Come on though Mock you need to step outside the BB bubble it isnt just a soap opera you are an intelligent guy.
I will be honest after hearing about this i thought bollocks it is a publicity stunt there is no way he should have been thrown out for that but after seeing it there cant be any doubt That was bordering on criminal the getting thrown out was a certainty and the right thing.

You just cant do that. I feel bad for Aaron he obviously lacked the maturity to be in that house but it cant be defended.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

This was not a serious incident whatsoever. The police aren't involved. Joel blames himself and agrees that aaron should not have been evicted.

The argument has always been, is it a serious enough of an incident to warrant an ejection. Why are you bringing the police up??

If You and Joel believe that Aaron shouldn't have been ejected then perhaps you should look at the poll results, realise that you are in the minority and rewatch what happened... Because what happened is an obvious example of rule-break and gross misconduct which has (up to now) only been justified in this thread as "avin a laugh" or "drunken banta" (to paraphrase).. obviously these are not good enough excuses. Clearly your opinion isn't popular, there are genuinely statistics which show precisely this at the top of the page every time that you post.

If you don't believe Aaron deserved an ejection, I personally believe you should start to question how efficient your moral-compass is and I'd encourage you to practice empathy more often.

[Amy Jade]

I'm now laughing at this thread.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Withano

If you don't believe Aaron deserved an ejection, I personally believe you should start to question how efficient your moral-compass is and I'd encourage you to practice empathy more often.

Or you can understand other people may have different opinions to your own without being patronising.

The fact that I think he should have been warned and not ejected doesn't equate to me advocating sexual assault, good heavens

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think it's pretty clear that Joel is a closet case and there was definitely something between him and Aaron. However, being 19 and having your sexual confusion play out on national television must be terrifying to say the least, and I think it was pretty clear that Joel wasn't having whatever Aaron was serving. I think it's also pretty clear that Joel's laughter was nervous laughter, considering that this was a situation he never imagined himself in and probably never wanted to be in. And like I said, using your penis to make someone feel uncomfortable is certainly grounds for ejection. I really don't get what all the debate is over.

and btw this is coming from someone who hates Joel :3

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

What i see is people taking a position that is controversial because they think it is hip and amusing to do so (not all, but in the main) It was a serious incident and the gravity of its nature should not be minimised in order to win a forum argument.

We can all argue until we are blue in the face, it doesn't matter one jot. It was deemed that Aaron over stepped the boundaries of acceptable behaviour by the producers of the show. That's it, if you don't like it, don't watch the show.

The majority of people on this forum disagrees with like 90% of the decisions made by producers but we still debate and argue over the issues, because that's what a forum is for. Nothing we discuss on here matters, it's all just for fun. If we had two choices with a tv show - to shut up and accept what the show tells us or simply stop watching - then this forum and every other one in existence would be almost empty.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

The argument has always been, is it a serious enough of an incident to warrant an ejection. Why are you bringing the police up??

Because you guys keep saying that a serious sexual assault has occured.

If You and Joel believe that Aaron shouldn't have been ejected then perhaps you should look at the poll results, realise that you are in the minority and rewatch what happened...

Why on earth would I be interested in poll results? Truth is not a democracy.

Because what happened is an obvious example of rule-break and gross misconduct which has (up to now) only been justified in this thread as "avin a laugh" or "drunken banta" (to paraphrase).. obviously these are not good enough excuses. Clearly your opinion isn't popular, there are genuinely statistics which show precisely this at the top of the page every time that you post.

Why would I want my opinion to be popular? Do you seriously moderate your opinions to make them fall in line with the great unwashed? I am almost always glad that I don't agree with most of the people I encounter.

If you don't believe Aaron deserved an ejection, I personally believe you should start to question how efficient your moral-compass is and I'd encourage you to practice empathy more often.

Empathy with whom? The "victim" in this case, joel, agrees with me that aaron should not have been evicted. Does joel lack empathy with himself?

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Or you can understand other people may have different opinions to your own without being patronising.

The fact that I think he should have been warned and not ejected doesn't equate to me advocating sexual assault, good heavens

You wrote what I counldn't be arsed to.

[Ammi]

..it seemed to me that Joel didn't feel comfortable right from the kiss thing in truth or dare and maybe almost like Aaron felt some sort of 'rejection' there so kept pushing and pushing fuelled by alcohol and really had no awareness of Joel's feelings or wishes beyond him trying to force something that Joel wasn't comfortable with and invade his personal space...like he really just couldn't take that rejection of the kiss and wouldn't accept it so really focused on Joel...anyway, I thought it was completely the right decision to eject him, anything else would have just been wrong..it's an interesting 'group/pack' type situation though, that the other housemates were laughing and joking and not seeing how uncomfortable it was for Joel...and yeah, him laughing a bit himself and maybe as well because he completely didn't know what to do/how to react...

[QueenCharley]

Good riddance, Aaron was absolutely in the wrong. Joel was clearly uncomfortable and in past highlight shows you could see how edgy he felt when Aaron would repeatedly question his sexuality.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I think it's pretty clear that Joel is a closet case and there was definitely something between him and Aaron. However, being 19 and having your sexual confusion play out on national television must be terrifying to say the least, and I think it was pretty clear that Joel wasn't having whatever Aaron was serving. I think it's also pretty clear that Joel's laughter was nervous laughter, considering that this was a situation he never imagined himself in and probably never wanted to be in. And like I said, using your penis to make someone feel uncomfortable is certainly grounds for ejection. I really don't get what all the debate is over.

and btw this is coming from someone who hates Joel :3

..that's a really good post, Macie..I really don't know whether Joel is gay or not, but either way really it doesn't matter because it has no bearing really on how obviously uncomfortable he looked with the whole thing..

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Or you can understand other people may have different opinions to your own without being patronising.

The fact that I think he should have been warned and not ejected doesn't equate to me advocating sexual assault, good heavens

I don't agree with the people saying he shouldn't have been removed but some of the comments in here are unnescessarily personal against the forum members. We're only here to discuss the housemates.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..that's a really good post, Macie..I really don't know whether Joel is gay or not, but either way really it doesn't matter because it has no bearing really on how obviously uncomfortable he looked with the whole thing..

thx Ammi. Obviously I can't say for certain that Joel's closeted but he's been pinging my gaydar for a while now. But you're absolutely right in that his sexual orientation doesn't change the situation.