[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I reported your avtar...

Is the difference between his and yours that huge though Kizzy? And is his a genuine picture or doctored?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How rude, How would you respond to her suggestion that it is a far right issue antisemitism not a left wing problem.

How are we tacking to rise of the far right in the UK, by making sure heads are firmly turned the other way?

A Labour Corbyn supporter isn't impartial.
I'll just copy your style when you respond to me about his IRA sympathies and say:

Corbyn is anti - semitic. End of.

How does that medicine taste, Kizzy?

[Beso]

The defence of corbyn is like me standing up for tommy robinson

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Is the difference between his and yours that huge though Kizzy? And is his a genuine picture or doctored?

I had a picture like that as my sig for a while, it was david cameron appearing to give a salute during a party political broadcast. Livia reported it and it was removed.

[Kizzy]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sm-row-cartoon

The Guardian cartoon is telling.....rivers of bile.

[Kizzy]

'A number of Conservative MPs were also present, including cabinet ministers Sajid Javid and Penny Mordaunt.'

I've seen an interview with norman tebbit there too... urging people that if they are disillusioned to not vote labour in may.

I am going to suggest seriously that this is exploitation... the conservatives if not directly instrumental have engineered a furore, not for the benefit of the Jewish community. For their own ends.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8274996.html

[Kizzy]

Thinking about it in more depth... Who commissioned this, who saw the image and thought ooh yes that's lovely let's pick a wall!

There's a vid of the construction, time lapsed... did nobody notice then it was offensive?

[AnnieK]

The problem is for me though Kizzy, however this has surfaced its a big enough issue for JC to comment and moreso apologise so there is a fundamental problem within the party.

However, it appears from the info DR posted, there are also issues to be faced within the Government too, not just the opposition.

So, for me in this instance, the fact that the information has surfaced hopefully forcing both parties to clean up this mess can only be a good thing.

Burying this and saying it is exploitation from one party to another doesn't solve what is a clear and apparent problem across both main parties.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by TomToWin

The bitter old racist wont even be in the labour party by the time an election comes round.

He is finished, nail down that coffin and call the balaclava clad IRA gun salute.

I sincerely believe that too. He CANNOT survive all this.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The problem is for me though Kizzy, however this has surfaced its a big enough issue for JC to comment and moreso apologise so there is a fundamental problem within the party.

However, it appears from the info DR posted, there are also issues to be faced within the Government too, not just the opposition.

So, for me in this instance, the fact that the information has surfaced hopefully forcing both parties to clean up this mess can only be a good thing.

Burying this and saying it is exploitation from one party to another doesn't solve what is a clear and apparent problem across both main parties.

Thanks Annie I posted similar info too, I wasn't trying any redirection it just helps to maintain balance.

Considering the protests he didn't have a choice did he? Any and all criticism have been addressed with acknowledgements and reports.

My worry is if he is forced to accept personal responsibility for the actions of others is as usually happens in those instances he will be forced to step down.

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=DemolitionRed;9931856]Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.[/QUOTE]

The fact that 'The majority of people can see this for what it is' is THE very reason why Corbyn will NOT win a General Election, AND - as I will wager - will NOT even be Leader of The Labour Party when the General Election comes around.

And 'What it is' that they 'see' is irrefutable FACT after FACT after FACT surfacing about Corbyn's abhorrent Marxist, anti-Semitic, Terrorist Sympathetic, and anti-British TRUE character.

The motivation of the people/organisations who are furnishing those facts is NOT important to the 'majority' of people in this country because IT IS ONLY THOSE IRREFUTABLE FACTS themselves which MATTER to them and THIS purely because the man who those facts pertain to is the Leader of The Labour Party who has DESPERATE aspirations to become the next Prime Minister of Her Majesty's Government.

From repeated 'Tea On The Terrace' with Terrorist after Terrorist to his membership of multiple anti-Semitic extremist organisations and his gushing eulogies for various TERRORISTS, DEAD and ALIVE ones, Corbyn has exposed himself for what he is - NOT what he claims to be, and THAT person is DEFINITELY NOT the type of person that the 'majority of people' in this country WANT to see heading a Government.

My problem is; that while the 'majority' of us accept that all THE EVIDENCE of all these damning facts which are now being revealed about Comrade Jeremy (when ADDED to his own well-documented actions and speeches in favour and support of terrorist and other highly 'DUBIOUS' organisations) are ENOUGH to INDICT Corbyn - the more extreme and fanatical Corbyn supporters WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT THERE IS EVEN A 'PRIMA FACIE' CASE.

And THAT is dangerously worrying when such a refusal FLIES IN THE FACE OF ALL THE EVIDENCE.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And why now? Why now is stuff being dug up from years ago.

The only thing that I'm angry with Corbyn about is his and his teams stubbornness to dish the same dirt back at the Tory party. We can do it but its to a minute audience. What the **** is wrong with Labour that they won't do this?

Hopefully the Russians are going to let something big out of the bag about May. They've said they will.

Why now? People have been taking about this for years, ever since Corbyn came onto the public radar. Some of these things have only just come to light but a lot of it has been available for anyone to see. Any time someone has tried to point it out they have been shut down or dismissed. People have lost patience with that hence the slogan of today's protest - enough is enough

[Livia]

So Corbyn has finally accepted that Labour has a big problem with anti-Semitism. It took him long enough. And there are STILL people saying it's all a plot against him! Seriously... if you can't see that there is a problem within the Labour party with anti-Semitism, especially now, when Corbyn himself has made a grovelling apology (too late and too little) then you are a part of the problem. Every time this has been brought up in the past the same Labour supporters have told us to move along, nothing to see here, it's all a whitewash. Well, now you know.

[TomToWin]

[QUOTE=kirklancaster;9932613]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.[/QUOTE]

The fact that 'The majority of people can see this for what it is' is THE very reason why Corbyn will NOT win a General Election, AND - as I will wager - will NOT even be Leader of The Labour Party when the General Election comes around.

And 'What it is' that they 'see' is irrefutable FACT after FACT after FACT surfacing about Corbyn's abhorrent Marxist, anti-Semitic, Terrorist Sympathetic, and anti-British TRUE character.

The motivation of the people/organisations who are furnishing those facts is NOT important to the 'majority' of people in this country because IT IS ONLY THOSE IRREFUTABLE FACTS themselves which MATTER to them and THIS purely because the man who those facts pertain to is the Leader of The Labour Party who has DESPERATE aspirations to become the next Prime Minister of Her Majesty's Government.

From repeated 'Tea On The Terrace' with Terrorist after Terrorist to his membership of multiple anti-Semitic extremist organisations and his gushing eulogies for various TERRORISTS, DEAD and ALIVE ones, Corbyn has exposed himself for what he is - NOT what he claims to be, and THAT person is DEFINITELY NOT the type of person that the 'majority of people' in this country WANT to see heading a Government.

My problem is; that while the 'majority' of us accept that all THE EVIDENCE of all these damning facts which are now being revealed about Comrade Jeremy (when ADDED to his own well-documented actions and speeches in favour and support of terrorist and other highly 'DUBIOUS' organisations) are ENOUGH to INDICT Corbyn - the more extreme and fanatical Corbyn supporters WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT THERE IS EVEN A 'PRIMA FACIE' CASE.

And THAT is dangerously worrying when such a refusal FLIES IN THE FACE OF ALL THE EVIDENCE.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by TomToWin

What is it then, Tom? What is this, in your mind?

[bots]

i think Corbyn had dealt his PM prospects a fatal blow.

Let's rewind a bit. First he had someone do an investigation, that comes back with a clean bill of health, then he flatly denies there is antisemitism in the labour party, then he is found to be in anti Semitic face book groups, now, he says labour has a problem with antisemitism and apologised. So, it's only after extreme pressure that he has admitted guilt. He also has various terrorist connections that he has yet failed to explain

He is finished.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

So Corbyn has finally accepted that Labour has a big problem with anti-Semitism. It took him long enough. And there are STILL people saying it's all a plot against him! Seriously... if you can't see that there is a problem within the Labour party with anti-Semitism, especially now, when Corbyn himself has made a grovelling apology (too late and too little) then you are a part of the problem. Every time this has been brought up in the past the same Labour supporters have told us to move along, nothing to see here, it's all a whitewash. Well, now you know.

Well said Livia. He had ample time to sort it out and he did nothing, now he's forced to make the grovelling apology one wonders how sincere it is.

The giveaway was his tweet about the mural and when confronted he said "I should have studied it properly"!! What study needed to be done?!
The message in the mural was as clear as bloody day, if he couldn't grasp its intent in one glance he's one or both of two things - a liar or a moron, take your pick - and what other disastrous 'mistakes' could he make as a PM. Literally unbelievable.

[Nicky91]

Corbyn has no chance anymore at becoming PM i think


but why change, i think Theresa is doing a good job tbh

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think Corbyn had dealt his PM prospects a fatal blow.

Let's rewind a bit. First he had someone do an investigation, that comes back with a clean bill of health, then he flatly denies there is antisemitism in the labour party, then he is found to be in anti Semitic face book groups, now, he says labour has a problem with antisemitism and apologised. So, it's only after extreme pressure that he has admitted guilt. He also has various terrorist connections that he has yet failed to explain

He is finished.

Agreed - he is!

[jet]

[QUOTE=kirklancaster;9932613]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.[/QUOTE]

The fact that 'The majority of people can see this for what it is' is THE very reason why Corbyn will NOT win a General Election, AND - as I will wager - will NOT even be Leader of The Labour Party when the General Election comes around.

And 'What it is' that they 'see' is irrefutable FACT after FACT after FACT surfacing about Corbyn's abhorrent Marxist, anti-Semitic, Terrorist Sympathetic, and anti-British TRUE character.

The motivation of the people/organisations who are furnishing those facts is NOT important to the 'majority' of people in this country because IT IS ONLY THOSE IRREFUTABLE FACTS themselves which MATTER to them and THIS purely because the man who those facts pertain to is the Leader of The Labour Party who has DESPERATE aspirations to become the next Prime Minister of Her Majesty's Government.

From repeated 'Tea On The Terrace' with Terrorist after Terrorist to his membership of multiple anti-Semitic extremist organisations and his gushing eulogies for various TERRORISTS, DEAD and ALIVE ones, Corbyn has exposed himself for what he is - NOT what he claims to be, and THAT person is DEFINITELY NOT the type of person that the 'majority of people' in this country WANT to see heading a Government.

My problem is; that while the 'majority' of us accept that all THE EVIDENCE of all these damning facts which are now being revealed about Comrade Jeremy (when ADDED to his own well-documented actions and speeches in favour and support of terrorist and other highly 'DUBIOUS' organisations) are ENOUGH to INDICT Corbyn - the more extreme and fanatical Corbyn supporters WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT THERE IS EVEN A 'PRIMA FACIE' CASE.

And THAT is dangerously worrying when such a refusal FLIES IN THE FACE OF ALL THE EVIDENCE.

Well said Kirk!

[Kizzy]

If it takes expulsions to make the communities affected and supporters take his admonishments seriously then that is what must be done.... My view is this can't go on as a stick to beat corbyn with, again for me I think many who really don't care a fig for either group are exploiting this issue for political ends and that is exploitative and wrong.


From 17 mins in...

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

Joseph Finlay is the former deputy editor of the Jewish Quarterly and co-founder of a range of grassroots Jewish organisations. On 26 March, he penned a piece for the UK partner of The Times of Israel entitled Jeremy Corbyn is an anti-racist, not an anti-semite.

Finlay writes that, like every good story, it starts with a grain of truth. Among Labour’s half a million members lies a small minority of people who hold antisemitic views. But this truth, he writes, was turned into “a dark guilt-by association sub-plot” with the cynical “grand finale” we should all have expected:


https://www.thecanary.co/trending/20...mes-of-israel/

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Joseph Finlay is the former deputy editor of the Jewish Quarterly and co-founder of a range of grassroots Jewish organisations. On 26 March, he penned a piece for the UK partner of The Times of Israel entitled Jeremy Corbyn is an anti-racist, not an anti-semite.

Finlay writes that, like every good story, it starts with a grain of truth. Among Labour’s half a million members lies a small minority of people who hold antisemitic views. But this truth, he writes, was turned into “a dark guilt-by association sub-plot” with the cynical “grand finale” we should all have expected:


https://www.thecanary.co/trending/20...mes-of-israel/

That is just one mans personal opinion - a man who is obviously anti right wing and pro - Corbyn. It's not like you to fall for a partial source...as you would say, it means nothing...

Besides, Corbyn is, at the very least, guilty by association as he is the Labour leader and therefore responsible for stamping out antisemitism in his party which he has refused to do even though it was brought to his attention over and over again. Did he care enough to deal with it? NO. That he didn't see it as as something that should be dealt with swiftly is very telling indeed.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

A Labour Corbyn supporter isn't impartial.
I'll just copy your style when you respond to me about his IRA sympathies and say:

Corbyn is anti - semitic. End of.

How does that medicine taste, Kizzy?

No he isn't and if you'd bother to read/listen to anyone who has been interviewed in relation to the topic of antisemitism within labour they all say he isn't . The issue being he isn't tough enough on those within the party who are.