[Ammi]

...I don’t blame them for not ordering...Starbucks is pretty grim for the cost of it...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but then it just flips round and round though, Parmy...the two guys may have left without anything escalating in any way and done ‘the decent thing’... had training been given to staff on how to ask people to leave if they’re not paying customers etc..?...(..also there has to be consistency in that as well obviously, which I’m assuming there would be..)...but for a manager’s ‘option’ with non threatening, non hostile people etc..(..which all have said the two men were..)...to be to make a police call, is just really bad training because training surely would always cover those people ‘who had refused to leave if asked to do so’....

All the talk of "call the police".. isnt as bad as it sounds..the officers on bikes are probably designated to that mall anyway..so for the manager it didnt seem like a big deal to get them to come and sort it..plus with it being in america you aint going to risk a lawsuit on yourself.

I find it really strange that you wouldnt leave when requested to by the police...to me those actions should have been followed up by a struggle with the police....but they just peacefully got up and left...


Luckily miss political antagonist was on hand with her camera and twitter page....her timing has a lot to be desired though..she missed 15 minutes worth.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by parmnion

All the talk of "call the police".. isnt as bad as it sounds..the officers on bikes are probably designated to that mall anyway..so for the manager it didnt seem like a big deal to get them to come and sort it..plus with it being in america you aint going to risk a lawsuit on yourself.

I find it really strange that you wouldnt leave when requested to by the police...to me those actions should have been followed up by a struggle with the police....but they just peacefully got up and left...


Luckily miss political antagonist was on hand with her camera and twitter page....her timing has a lot to be desired though..she missed 15 minutes worth.

....hmmmm I don’t know actually, Parmy...I did read an article...sorry I’m not good at finding links again...but one of the police officers said they didn’t feel they should have been called to the ‘situation’, a personal statement from one involved..?...but as they were called, obviously they had to go...

[Ammi]

...I guess what could also be perceived as ‘strange’...is that Starbucks immediately wanted to meet with the two men as well and apologise and address their training methods and introduce new training etc...so I don’t think it’s very clear cut whether they themselves believe an element of racial profiling was perhaps involved with this unfortunate incident and why it escalated to what it became...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I guess what could also be perceived as ‘strange’...is that Starbucks immediately wanted to meet with the two men as well and apologise and address their training methods and introduce new training etc...so I don’t think it’s very clear cut whether they themselves believe an element of racial profiling was perhaps involved with this unfortunate incident and why it escalated to what it became...

Yes, it comes across as an admission of guilt, but I still don't think it really means anything at all; Starbucks would still be doing this whether they thought it was racial profiling or not. It's gone globally viral... they HAVE to be seen to do something.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don’t blame them for not ordering...Starbucks is pretty grim for the cost of it...

How dare you. Caramel Machiattos are amazing. And caramel frapachino on a hot summer day. Mmm. Their soya latte is also randomly delicious .

That said, it's not as good as my home made fresh ground coffee . But other than that... none of the other high street coffee places are ever as good as Starbucks. And independent cafes... like 1 in 10 makes a good coffee. The rest serve you a cup of dishwater!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes, it comes across as an admission of guilt, but I still don't think it really means anything at all; Starbucks would still be doing this whether they thought it was racial profiling or not. It's gone globally viral... they HAVE to be seen to do something.

..yeah I do realise that ‘seen to be doing something’ is a thing as well TS and maybe the reason ...but I don’t think the perception is any less ‘strange’ than the refusal by the guys when asked to leave if they did feel racial profiling was apparahent to them and happening to them ....if others also had been known to not order etc and just wait for someone and also be known to use bathroom facilities...but themselves the only two that led to police being called....or even being told ‘no you can’t’ in the first place...all ‘stranges’ hold the same weight value, I feel.....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How dare you. Caramel Machiattos are amazing. And caramel frapachino on a hot summer day. Mmm. Their soya latte is also randomly delicious .

That said, it's not as good as my home made fresh ground coffee . But other than that... none of the other high street coffee places are ever as good as Starbucks. And independent cafes... like 1 in 10 makes a good coffee. The rest serve you a cup of dishwater!

..I absolutely dare, that’s the badass I am.....I’m not really a huge coffee drinker../..fan...just to disappoint you further, TS...still water on a hot summer day is where I’m at, not caramel frapachino...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

I’m not really a huge coffee drinker../..fan..

Get out

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Get out

....prejudice../..intolerance.....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....prejudice../..intolerance.....

[Oliver_W]

So men being taken out of a shop has sparked protests. Because of course.

Protesters gathered at a Philadelphia Starbucks on Sunday and planned to regroup again on Monday morning after two black men were arrested there last week when they allegedly refused to leave.

Demonstrators carried megaphones and signs that said phrases like, “Too Little Too Latte,” and confronted the employees behind the register, according to NBC Philadelphia.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

confronted the employees behind the register

Who had absolutely nothing to do with any of it and don't get paid anywhere NEAR enough to deal with that ****

Too Little Too Latte

[Niamh.]

“Too Little Too Latte,”

genius

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

But once they refused to leave the attendent had no other option but to think of the paying customers enjoyment and call the police.

They also asked them to leave...3 times....the police then had no other option but arrest them.


This simply would not have happened if the 2 blokes had done the decent thing.

Why would they need to leave?
Starbucks don't have a policy preventing someone sitting down in the shop. Especially when waiting for someone else.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Who had absolutely nothing to do with any of it and don't get paid anywhere NEAR enough to deal with that ****

So call the police...and around and around we go.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why would they need to leave?
Starbucks don't have a policy preventing someone sitting down in the shop. Especially when waiting for someone else.

Cause they were asked to......starbucks did the exact same thing to a uniformed officer but he had the decency to leave when asked...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So call the police...and around and around we go.

Oh god, there's gonna be loads of "sit ins" aren't there, where saddoes are gonna spend ages filling the place by taking up tables without buying anything....

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Oh god, there's gonna be loads of "sit ins" aren't there, where saddoes are gonna spend ages filling the place by taking up tables without buying anything....

Then it will all be as staged as this made up bollocks.

[Maru]

Hearsay obviously but would be hilarious if true...

Philadelphia Starbucks Customer: Supposedly Racist Manager 'Is An SJW Feminist Of The Highest Order'
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29557...st-ben-shapiro

On Tuesday, Starbucks announced a national day of retraining for all of its employees in the wake of a supposedly racist incident: a Philadelphia store manager named Holly calling the police on two black men for allegedly loitering, after refusing them access to the restroom since they had not bought anything. Holly, the media claimed, was obviously acting out of racial intent.

The same day as Starbucks’ announcement, a listener to my show emailed me from Philadelphia to talk about Holly. According to the listener, who regularly frequents the now-infamous Philadelphia Starbucks in question, “I don’t know what happened last week with the two guys. I wasn’t there. But I highly doubt that she saw the two men and decided to call the police based solely on the fact that they are black.”

Why not? According to this patron, “From my observations and interactions with her, I was actually under the impression that Holly is an SJW feminist of the highest order. Once I even overheard her scorn a male barista for not using the proper neutral pronouns with somebody. That's why this whole situation is so shocking to me! Even though I did not agree with her and all the SJW pins that adorn her beanie, I think calling her a racist all over the news and doxing her name, address, phone, family, etc. is disgusting.”

This patron explained that Holly “is not racist and doesn’t deserve what is happening to her here in Philly.” The patrons of the Starbucks are “both black and white, and I’ve personally seen Holly give the oh-so-coveted restroom code to both black and white people, patrons and non-patrons. I’ve seen her train both black and white staff members and she has been nothing but nice to everyone, and I’ve never witnessed any racist behavior.”

The patron added, “I may not agree with the way she carries herself with the colorful hair and the hippie pins, but I can recognize when someone is doing their job well.”

This customer also points out that if Holly were truly racist, she’d “have to be on the phone all day calling the cops on every other patron,” since Philadelphia is so heavily minority.

I mean it would not be surprising I guess, given the company's values. But goes to show, that none of us are immune to a good ol' fashion witch hunt... I mean literally any of us could fall victim, regardless of our "reputation"... doesn't mean much on Twitter or to the mainstream media.

[Maru]

And BTW, the CEO of Starbucks has doubled-down...

Starbucks' Schultz Throws Employee Under The Bus, Then Personally Drives Bus Over Her
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29596...-james-barrett

"There's no doubt in my mind that the reason that they (police) were called was because they were African American," Schultz told host Gayle King Wednesday. "That's not who Starbucks is."

Though he declared definitively that the former manger's actions were motivated by racism, Schultz noted that Holly said she was "interested" in sitting down with the two men, which the executive said offered a chance for some much-needed "reconciliation" after the "reprehensible" series of actions.

[Maru]

This is apparently now a "challenge"... he did it to prove a point, but still

[Oliver_W]

Taking advantage of the stupid isn't nice, Hotep!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Cause they were asked to......starbucks did the exact same thing to a uniformed officer but he had the decency to leave when asked...

And that is an arrestable offence?

Please.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And that is an arrestable offence?

Please.

The 3 time refusal was the offence...the cops hands werr tied by these ignorant pigs.