[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Are we watching?

Yes grim

[Kazanne]

Bloody Hell Harrison Ford better be careful,he showed that kid how to use his bullwhip, this just seems to be the two guys reliving the fact they got to be with someone famous,the mother seems really enamoured by it all

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ok so I kind of don't think he is lying

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Ok so I kind of don't think he is lying

Me neither

[Marsh.]

I kind of do think he is lying.

[Kazanne]

I think he is lying as he has form.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is he gay?

[Kazanne]

I didn't really want to watch this at all as I didn't want to give creedence to that director as no doubt this will be a ratings smash and make him the money he knew it would,but if I want to make up my mind properly I have to watch it , but seen nothing yet as proof of what he is accused of.

[Niamh.]

I mean the relationships were weird as **** for an adult man to have with kids. How people can deny that is just odd

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I mean the relationships were weird as **** for an adult man to have with kids. How people can deny that is just odd

Oh it was strange. Just not evidence of pedophilia.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh it was strange. Just not evidence of pedophilia.

It's highly unlikely to be anything else though lbr

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's highly unlikely to be anything else though lbr

Is it? How so?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh it was strange. Just not evidence of pedophilia.

Well a man saying he wanked him off as a child would be a start

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well a man saying he wanked him off as a child would be a start

A man who could also be lying

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

A man who could also be lying

Even taking out everything they say, just what we could actually see is ****ed up

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

A man who could also be lying

I'm relatively old and Iv had a life. I've studied criminals at degree level, I'm not daft, Iv been to jail's, nothing Iv seen tonight says they are lying

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well a man saying he wanked him off as a child would be a start

He could say he wanked off a flying pig, it's not evidence of anything.

[iRyan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

He could say he wanked off a flying pig, it's not evidence of anything.

There is simply not always going to be hard evidence in sexual abuse cases, especially those involving children. From the way it’s been described, Michael was extremely calculated in how he carried out the abuse. What other evidence could there possibly be other than the word of people who crossed paths with him? I’m sure he was smarter than to have child pornography laying around or have acts that occurred in his own home be recorded on camera. Although there was this particular instance of a housekeeper who testified against him, which rings very clear alarm bells:

“Once, when she was cleaning Jackson’s bedroom, she said, she saw Jackson and a child she believes was the Australian boy in the shower. The boy’s neon-green Spider-Man underwear was on the floor near Jackson’s white briefs, she said. She said she was familiar with their undergarments from doing their laundry.

On two other occasions, she saw Jackson and the boy in bed together watching television. They were partially under the covers and ‘both were nude from the waist up,’ she said.”

Source: https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/the-a...sons-maid.html

But by all means believe what you want I guess.

[Kazanne]

Considering their ages at the time they have extraordinary memories. Blasey- Ford was mocked because she couldn't remember some details about her own sexual abuse when she was seventeen.

[AnnieK]

Kaz, serious question....were/are you a massive MJ fan? I'm struggling a little to understand that you don't think its slightly weird that a grown man would think its ok to share a bed with a child....and you still defend it. I agree hugely with TS in that whether or not you think anything dodgy went on or not, you have to see that the way he swapped his "favourites" as they aged is not strange at best, cruel at worst? Even if the sexual abuse didn't happen, what he did is is abuse to a child that age, in their mind its tantamount to neglect and abandonment.

[Vicky.]

I need to watch this latest documentary I think. I do think its highly likely he was dodgy as ****. Yes I think its partly to do with his own life but, thats not really an excuse. I do suspect that some parents of the kids who were sent to stay at his were seeking compensation..because come on, everyone knew the rumours, which responsible parent would allow their kid to sleep in a bed with him? Really. This does not mean the kids were complicit in their own abuse mind, but I do think some of the parents are suspect.

And also, I love MJs music, a lot of it anyway. Its going to be a bit of a pain in the arse if it ends like Glitters, where I am not allowed to play it at work as a lot of his songs are instant dancefloor fillers!

[Niamh.]

I agree though the parents were totally irresponsible and failed to protect their children

[Crimson Dynamo]

Star struck

[AnnieK]

In all honesty kaz, I feel you are answering as a fan rather than a mum. Whether he slept on the floor, in a twin bed or strapped to the roof, he was a grown man wanting to sleep in the same room / area / bed as a kid that he wasn't related to. Any way I look at that, its wrong......from the parents view, wtf, anyone asked that to me with my son regardless of the status, riches or whatever, just no....but MJ was an adult....he was wrong. Then after doing whatever, dropping them for a younger midel is sick, cruel etc etc

Ill tell you what, had it been my kid he'd ****ed with, death would be preferable...sexual or emotional abuse

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

In all honesty kaz, I feel you are answering as a fan rather than a mum. Whether he slept on the floor, in a twin bed or strapped to the roof, he was a grown man wanting to sleep in the same room / area / bed as a kid that he wasn't related to. Any way I look at that, its wrong......from the parents view, wtf, anyone asked that to me with my son regardless of the status, riches or whatever, just no....but MJ was an adult....he was wrong. Then after doing whatever, dropping them for a younger midel is sick, cruel etc etc

Ill tell you what, had it been my kid he'd ****ed with, death would be preferable...sexual or emotional abuse

I've already said Annie I would not have allowed it, I just don't trust the word of these two men, maybe they have done it because they were jealous ,but I do think money has a great deal to play in this,we all know he was very childlike and strange,but not seen any evidence that he was a peado.